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Clarifies the purpose of meditation as a way of looking at things with simplicity, not to gain pleasure or security. The spiritual materialism of searching for a guru with credentials, versus the individual, direct experience of meditation. The more we pay attention to our breath and body in shamatha meditation, the more we get to know ourselves. In vipashyana, insight meditation practice, there is a precise sense of the environment around our breath and body. It is an awareness and understanding of the whole. Note: This is a short lecture followed by an extended Q\u0026amp;A with students.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSep 12 2024 to Jun 15 2025 Transcribing: Blaire Martin Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Terminology Review: Mark Nowakowski Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbout shamatha (mindfulness) and vipashyana (awareness) meditation practice. Clarifies the purpose of meditation as a way of looking at things with simplicity, not to gain pleasure or security. The spiritual materialism of searching for a guru with credentials, versus the individual, direct experience of meditation. The more we pay attention to our breath and body in shamatha meditation, the more we get to know ourselves. In vipashyana, insight meditation practice, there is a precise sense of the environment around our breath and body. It is an awareness and understanding of the whole. Note: This is a short lecture followed by an extended Q\u0026amp;A with students.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/553/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344986","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-n0gcaw.mpga"]},"duration":6423.21538,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/553/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344986","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/553/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-n0gcaw.mpga?1759343397","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":6423.21538,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720309VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720309VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1972 - Class 7]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes 1972, held in Boulder. This will be class number seven, Shamatha and Vipashyana, held March 9th, 1972.\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom remaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: OPENING DISCUSSION]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wonder if anybody knows what's the preceding talk tonight?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anybody? Do you got the sheets?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you remember them?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which one is that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=30.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's good. And also I wondered whether what we discussed last time. [Laughter] Anybody could say anything about what we discussed last time?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Meditation. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or students.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What does it mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Space of awareness [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But were you here last time, to hear the talk?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anybody who were here? Were you here? What was it all about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: About what would be the first stage of meditation or one of the first stages you could use. And it had to do with just watching the breath, and just giving your being a chance to just be, and not have to concern itself with anything besides that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Giving what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Giving the being a chance to just be, without having to concern itself with any-- anything else besides just the act of being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=77.0,164.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any other comments? From anybody? What was meditation anyway from this point of view? *What* is meditation anyway from this point of view?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE] the question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is meditation anyway, from Trungpa's point of view?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Just a chance for us to experience our most basic nature.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which means?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Being here now? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Were you here the one before the last?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=164.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We might throw a question among students, particularly those people who took part in the course. Could I ask a question before getting into the next topic? What is point of meditation? What is the point of meditation, why do we meditate? What is necessary, why is it so specially emphasized? Anybody?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: To be aware of your true self.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. [Laughter] Anybody? [Laughter; pause] What is self anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, it's different for everybody, but more for me it means being in-- knowing where I am at that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What would be the false self?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well it could be many things, but meditation seems to bring the whole total focus of what's happening into your awareness instead of, like, going through your daily routine, whatever the different side things, different-- all kinds of things [INAUDIBLE]. And for me, meditation gives me a total outlook and it sort of centers me, instead of just being aware of this side trip I may be in in the moment. Giving me a total...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=278.0,449.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why do that, why do we have to do that, anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It's more pleasant.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: More pleasant, pleasurable?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So do you think meditation is seeking for pleasure?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: No, but one aspect that could come about from it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So, saying same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, if you're aware of your total self, then it could be more pleasurable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I always find meditation to be a way of clearing away all the thoughts, all of-- I found meditation to be a way of clearing away all the troubles and thoughts that come to you and just like letting the past lie -- stepping back and observing and finding the buddha nature that's in yourself and everybody.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE] I see meditation as a process from confusion to clarity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And then what happens? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, once you've attained clarity, you stop meditating.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: A means to increase your reality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: A means to increase your reality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Reality. Of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The self would be...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I don't think there's any point to it at all, it's just experiencing space instead of form. [Unknown incident or gesture;  laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=449.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wonder anybody has any ideas of that we discussed already in the past several weeks, about discussing the spiritual materialism. What is all about, does anybody know about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I'd say it's going to a real aggressive attitude [UNCLEAR: and perfect? a person?] striving like we usually do in most of our other activities.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would anybody agree that meditation is trying to increase pleasure? It is? What kind of pleasure?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: All pleasure [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why that kind of pleasure is different from pleasure we get out of being rich, millionaire?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well, I guess that's what you were suggesting by spiritual materialism. A lot of people seem to have more faith in Buddhism [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How does the other side work?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: How does what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The other side, the spiritual side.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: In relation to money?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: If money comes to you, that's one thing, but if you go to money that's another.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: What is from within? Spiritual is from within.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And still you get pleasure, right? Still, within it gives you more pleasure than without.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I'm talking about the spiritual richness is from within.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which gives you \"within\" pleasure. Still gives you pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What kind of pleasure?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [INAUDIBLE] with being contented.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Contented?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Contented or [INAUDIBLE] it seems like [INAUDIBLE] clearly relating to everything around you and what happens before pleasure rushes in. Just be here, more natural. And it [INAUDIBLE]. That's what I call it [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: There's a pleasure that comes from knowing that your actions are in tune with yourself there can be violence going on around you. And that you, yourself are identified fully with your activity, that you know that what you're doing, is serving the best of what's happening around you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=619.0,882.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems that we have to work into more critical situation of meditation, that shamatha practice we discussed last week is not way of bringing harmony or quietness *at all*, but purely trying to develop simplicity of way of looking at situation, as things as they are. Your breath is simple and your psychological state is related with the simplicity of things as they *are* and therefore has nothing to do with pleasure at all, from that point of view, of achievement or particular way of getting yourself secured from that sense at all. So from that point of view that security does not play important part. That usually what happens that when we study with a certain particular teacher, master, meditation master, we studied the credential of that master and we started our own-- our freakiness of it. And because we are so uncertain of what we are, which is the-- seem to be the ethnological way of looking at ourselves is that we are uncertain of ourselves, therefore we are freak. We are uncertain who we are, what we are, why we going, what we are doing. And possibilities of freaking out, mental blockage of some kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=882.0,1012.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because of that, we studied the credentials of certain great masters, gurus, teachers, swamis, rishis of all kinds. That's purely reason why we look into the credentials of the masters. At that point the master becomes unimportant. The credential of the master becomes more important. It has the case history that generations of generations of generations of generations, that they have able to cure that kind of particular insanity. Therefore we looked into their-- therefore we get into it. And that kind approach is purely blind faith from that point of view, extremely blind faith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1012.0,1071.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we know who we are, what we are, we looked into the credentials of the masters, purely. That is looking for another kind of security, another kind of insurance policy, spiritually -- spiritual insurance policy. And somewhat that doesn't seem to particularly work, at all -- for the very reason that we ignored ourselves but we become too much concerned with the credentials of masters and their case history, rather than what we are, who we are. We fail to relate with our own basic hang-ups, basic problems. That's why meditation practice is necessary. Meditation cannot be enforced by anybody, external person, but we have to actually do it, get into it, we have to get into simplicity of practice of meditation we discussed last week in terms of shamatha practice. That's why whole thing becomes very important, the *personal* importance to it, without heroic, without case history. Whether this particular lineage came from the Buddha himself, or Krishna himself, or Christ himself, that means nothing. If you can't relate with ourselves properly, that simply means nothing. And that seem to be the basic point, that failing to relate with individuality of what we are, who we are, actually what we're actually doing, what is-- what are the hang-ups within ourselves, our problem is within ourselves, our hang-ups within ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1071.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"More we able to relate with our body and our breath, that much we actually know ourselves. Before we had no chance to look into ourself at all. We had been completely living or dwelling on our dreams, our fascinations, our hang-ups, and our hopes and fears, and all kinds, what have you. That's why spirituality from this point is not so much of taking off from where you are, but introducing what you are is seem to be important -- that seem to be starting point of shamatha practice is just *sit* and breathe. Relate with your ache and the pain in the body, legs, back, and just sit and relate with your breath. Do that, on and on, constantly, do that, on and on and on. Relate with the breath, simplicity of the breath, simplicity with the body. Simplicity of the basic situation of what we are, who we are. We don't have to actually ask questions as such, but we become the question*er* and we also become the answer*er* as the same time-- at the same time. Question is answered on the spot. If you feel pain, if you feel repetitive in terms of some sense of-- in terms of sitting and breathing, that irritation is very real, something definite, nothing to do with dream at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1224.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, when we discuss the next situation, vipashyana practice, to begin with that we have to become more realistic, more human, more sensible. There is no spirituality at all apart from what is *here*. We breathe, we sit, we possess our body, we have our world, we have our father and mother, brother and sisters, and we-- our apartment, we have our stove, we have our clothes, we have our particular facial expressions, we have particular emotions. We have to relate with that subtly, or more likely simply, as simple could be, simplest could be. Just simply relating with that factual situation of things as actually they *are*. \"It is summer,\" there's no question about that. \"It is day time,\" there's no question about that. \"I am breathing,\" there's no question about that. \"I am so-and-so,\" there's no question about that. \"I am sitting on this particular cushion, trying to meditate. At least physically I'm at that particular situation.\" That is simple, *extremely* simple, very factual. There's no room for astral travelings, visions, messages, at all. When we hear messages from the hierarchical, divine beings, whoever they are, we just hear ourselves again and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1336.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From that point of view, there is no mystical experience at all. It has nothing to do with the mysteriousness of anything, so therefore it is not mystical -- if we could qualify mysticism, connected with the mysteriousness of it. But on the other hand, we begin to experience the depth of so much things we could discover from our simplicity. Sitting there, experience our breath, experience our thought process, there's something much more profound than just purely perceive it in the dreamworld situation. But when we discover our body, actually experience bodily situation, our emotions experience emotional situation, which we never looked before. Whole thing become much more real and much more precise, much more beautiful, much more profound. And that is actually, we could say, that mystical experience of all, experience the truth of nature as they are. And before we get into that situ-- unless we get in that situation, other word, we can't get into the experience of vipashyana experience, which is the-- literal meaning of \"vipashyana\" is \"insight\" -- seeing clearly, rather than looking clearly. You don't look-- you can't look clearly, you just look and then you get distorted by object illusions. But if you *perceive* clearly, you just perceive it. There's a difference between looking and seeing. Looking is you watch yourself looking, but seeing is what you perceive without being conscious of you're actually looking at things, actual objects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1487.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So vipashyana, or the insight meditation practice from that point of view, is that you not only see the reality of things as they are in practice of meditation, but at the same time you see the environment that those situations could exist as independent situations. Black is black, white is white, purple is purple, green is green. There is a candle, there are flowers, there's a chair, there's a table. Quite a distinct accent they speak. Within their chair-ness, table-ness, they could only exist beyond their relative situations. Otherwise you cannot have a chair, if you don't see a table. Or if there's no space which can accommodate the chair, chair-ness of it, there cannot be chair-ness-- chair at all, there cannot be table at all. Because whole situation is based on that particular factual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1647.0,1734.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So whole process that what we are trying to discuss is the vipashyana situation that concern, is that which contains not only object as they are in the practice of meditation, but an environment around that situation involved. In other word, that at this very moment, you don't have to experience the speaker. Speaker is not important at this point. But whole environment with which speaker creates, with lots of audience, a set time, and space where lots of people are listening to this particular speaker, creates the sense of the speaker. In other word you are just listening to an abandoned piece of rock. A difference between this particular speaker is regarded as a speaker, opposed to person that you're having discussion with somebody else, over coffee table, is this particular speaker has created speaking situation around it -- there are audience listening to this particular speaker, and the speaker has certain particular composure to address audience. So speaker is from that point of view isn't important at all, but the *sense* of the speaker, what does speaker represent, what speaker is meant to you because the speaker knows something to say, has something to say, hopefully, and communicates with the audience. And audience listens to this particular speaker and audience take notes and listens, looked at, simultaneously to this particular speaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1734.0,1871.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And similarly the same thing in vipashyana practice of meditation is you don't just pure deal with the breath or the body alone, but the sense of the body, sense of the breath, where the body is related with the whole thing. You cannot breathe without a space to breathe with. You cannot function your body as body unless there's something non-body situation happening around your body. So in this case, vipashyana practice of meditation is just feel purely sense of awareness or sense of understanding of whole thing as they are. Which seem to be very important part from this particular point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1871.0,1936.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We may look into the difference between awareness and mindfulness. I'm sure you read into the descrip-- the distinctions between Nyanaponika Thera's book on [THE] HEART OF BUDDHIST MEDITATION and the certain expression in Gampopa has made in his book. Awareness and mindfulness. And mindfulness is looking at certain particular situation distinctively as things as they are, the blueness of sky, greenness of plant… particular appreciation of an objective situation as they are. And awareness is blueness opposed to greenness. Blueness doesn't have to remain blueness as it is, but because it is non-blueness quality, which reinforces blueness as a ja-- as it is. Which means that trying to feel the space, space all around it, that particular situation. So vipashyana practice of meditation is therefore not sense of concentration at all, or for that matter trying to achieve hierarchical structure or spiritual achievement, or trying to solve your ego, or trying to become better person, or trying to become enlightened person as such at all. But it's simply, literally, looking at that given situation which contains both facts as well as implications of the facts, which is object and the space around it. Which is extremely important to know, that any kind of meditation practice from the Buddhist point of view is not related with absorption or trancelike situation of anything at all, but trying to develop precise experience of things as they are, as well as things which makes you see things as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=1936.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Things as they are is the like vipas-- like shamatha practice of seeing the leaf falling out of tree. And vipashyana is that environment which creates the leaf falling out of the space, from the tree. So vipashyana from this point of view is extremely intelligent one -- not directly concentrating on such subject as such, object as such, but just is trying to have develop sense of things as they are. Which seem to play very important part in this case is very literal and very direct situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nPerhaps we should have discussion on that. Perhaps I have been too abstract.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2096.0,2152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: At this point, at least, I guess I don't understand quite the distinction between the vipashyana and the shamatha forms of meditation. And the impression that I get is roughly that in each, what you're doing is experiencing what is given in the present. And there's a difference then-- is what you're saying there's a distinction, a peculiar-- peculiarities of vipashyana, is you experience the environment, the things around, just rather than focusing on an individual thing, it's experiencing a wholeness of the environment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems from this point of view that you cannot develop true vipashyana experience without going through the shamatha practice of first appreciating things -- experience the simplicity of things as they are -- and then you develop the environment where that space, that particular situation does exist. It's-- in some sense you could say it's kind of a very subtle form of understanding relativity. Amidst of junk, there's antique piece. Which creates tremendous space between the two situations, which is still in some sense, you could say, conceptualized thing. But that conceptualized thing is necessary at this point, because unless we able to do that, our mind is so confused that we do not know what is junk, what is antiques. Whole thing is completely confused, completely in a state of chaos. So to begin with things had to be introduced *as they are* before we know anything else, any kind of further transcendental experience or whatever it may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2152.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I wonder, too, I've just been listening, and I detect an awful lot of similarities, in fact, almost precise parallels between the vipashyana as you outlined and Gestalt therapy as it's been presented, particularly by [Laura] Perls. I wonder if you -- I assume you've been exposed to that -- I wonder if your terms are found from the terms of Gestalt at all, in order to make them understanding of the Western mind, I suppose. Does this sound right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Our basically idea of Gestalt is sort of sense of mandala, the fringe, to seeing this-- to see things as they are, and from that particular situation. Buddhism looks at psychological state of being, psychological state of person, and their practice towards enlightenment is existential. That things does exist, innate nature as they are, so it is not question of awakening, but it is question of acknowledging. And I'm sure there is a tremendous, you know, close link between that kind of psychological approach and philosophical approach, and is extremely close, but up to certain point. But there will be some kind of divisions between one point and another. Where Buddhism approaches things as purely selfless, non-watching, whereas Gestalt or existentialist regarded whole thing as interesting spectrum. At that point there seem to be there is difference, kind of divisions between the two situations. You go along with the certain process, then finally there's a split, when your intelligence begin to become more and more acute, and precise.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: When you say Buddhism is selfless, do you mean that Gestalt is not selfless?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Interested in self [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Yeah, [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Until that point, share common interest, but there is some friction.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2289.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: In shamatha meditation, your awareness understands this focus of being on each breath, and then vipashyana meditation, do you allow that awareness to go out from concentrating on breath or experiencing the breath, to experiencing, let's say your total being? Is that [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The sense of the breath, where breath cannot--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --exist without space around it. Yeah. In other word, each step is expanding your scope to see things as they are. Yeah, that's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2463.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Do you think that the pleasure of meditation [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Say that again? [Laughter] Pleasure what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: The pleasure derived from meditation, is it sexual?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not only conceptual one but it-- [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: No, sexual.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Sexual.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sexual? Depends on what meditation are you are using. If you regard meditation is a way to get high, then whole process becomes that direction of course. But in order to maintain the highness, you have to apply self-deception, constantly. You have to ward off the un-highness, opposed to highness, and that activated situation is only could used as the self-deception.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2533.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: In terms of seeing things as they are in the way of physical objects, simple things like breathing, and observing what's around you, carry over to being able to see more complicated situations, such as psychology of relationships between people and being able to see them [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think there's any problem. If you see things as they are, quite obviously you would realize things as not they are, but nevertheless that doesn't mean this particular become problem at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: It's very easy to do on a physical level, with breathing. Like I think one would be in meditation for several months and that, you know, that's long enough that... I don't notice even in noticing changes in awareness of being able to see clearly, more clearly, relationships with other people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one have to establish one's own relationship with oneself to begin with, completely, totally. Then relating with other people is very advanced practice. Able to see that your expressions are the other people. Work with oneself is bottle-feeding, but when you're able to eat with the hard food, human food, as baby grows up, it's another matter altogether. You see in other word that we cannot look into the more advanced things, pretend to be that we are advanced, but we have to concentrate on what we are to begin with first. Otherwise we end up with successive accidents of all kinds.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: We what? What was the last one?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Accidents, all kinds. In other word, we had to learn how to swim, otherwise we would drown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2621.0,2771.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I didn't understand in this vipashyana meditation, is that with mindfulness or awareness? I didn't really get [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's more like awareness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: It's more like awareness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Aware is a more diffused situation, and mindfulness is directed at certain particular things. Mindfulness is exclusively shamatha practice. And vipashyana practice is more like awareness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Is vipashyana practice discriminating? Is this the intelligence in that situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. You see the point is that we don't reject duality constantly, completely. It's not so much of overcoming the duality as such, just vaguely. But duality is two types of situations. It's the fixation of duality and just sense of duality as such. The fixation of duality is a psychological hang-up. It's a war between subject and object, trying to win over each other constantly. That's the fixation, hang-up. Whereas it's just purely sense of two things does exist. If you're one, you had to have two, naturally. That's not regarded as duality, dualistic hang-ups as such at all. And that's in fact regarded as discriminate awareness wisdom.\r\n\r\n\r\nOn the whole we could say that the difference between shamatha and vipashyana -- in shamatha practice is exclusive awareness of seeing things simple and direct as they are, and in terms of vipashyana practice, aware those exclusive awareness exist, the sense of environment. To sees things as-- they could exist within the context of environment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: But when you talk about the two terms, what is beyond that? Like, you know, there's seeing things as they are, then you have seeing things in relation to your environment, or as a whole. Then is there another dimension of meditation, that like takes you into say the meaning or the value of that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We will discuss next time. [Laughter] What we are doing here is merely conduct a tour, rather than actually getting into it, but I hope lot of people get-- actually get-- could get into it. But since our time and situation very limited, and that discussing the whole thing is vast subject. And we could gi-- we could discuss the whole thing of purely vipashyana alone. Three or four years we could discuss the whole thing, subtlety of whole thing. And we could get into next one after that, but seem to that our country, America, is based on so much of speed, and students would like to write their papers and everything, so we can't really go into the whole detail, complete detail. But it is regarded as some sense, more or less, appetizer between-- between appetizer and a conducted tour. But further situation that I would like to discuss in the further following lectures as much as I can relate with the audience. [INAUDIBLE] do that next.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=2771.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Rinpoche, you talked a little bit about seeing things as they aren't and clearly see things as they are, which then, you know, I-- should we worry about seeing things as they are?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Opposed to what, seeing things as they aren't?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: [INAUDIBLE] seeing things as they-- as they are, then there must be seeing things as they aren't.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you don't see things as they are not-- [laughter] If you are seeing things are they're not, you are seeing things as they are. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3048.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: BREAK FOR DISCUSSION GROUPS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could have a discussion period, maybe we should stop this point. Do you got the reading list, everybody has the reading list sheet? Everybody has got it? It's available, right? And we could get into that.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Related with the reading list that you-- things you read. And opposed to the talks, the discussion we had. I think it's extremely important to relate things to together, which is very important. We could end our meeting here. We could have discussion groups.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [General chatter] [GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Please proceed. Mhmm. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3108.0,3221.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Does either shamatha or vipashyana practice, properly practiced, lead to a result in samadhi?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well \"samadhi\" is very loose term. We could say that shamatha contains also samadhi, as well as vipashyana contains samadhi. Because literal meaning of \"samadhi\" is \"absence of aggression.\" Which is the definition of \"dharma\" is-- definition of \"dharma\" is \"dispassionate.\" \"Passionlessness\" is the definition of \"dharma.\" So passion is related with aggression or speed. So anything which relates with providing gap of the thought process, where there is no hope and fear involved but purely involvement of the practice itself, could be said as samadhi.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: But, this-- seems that samadhi is not really a gap, momentary gap. It seems to have some sort of a persistent or lasting quality, from what I-- I mean the way I've heard it spoken of, in any case. It's not merely a flash, but some sort of a long-lasting state with its own kind of perpetuation within it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3221.0,3341.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Wouldn't that be sort of if-- as meditation moves you closer to just awareness of things as they are-- things as they are, then as you get closer and closer to having that awareness all the time. And we do have the awareness all the time, each moment is examined as eternal[INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that samadhi is expression of nowness, what's happens at that very moment. Depends on your intensity of samadhi, whether you related with it by the samadhi of the given situation or the implication of the samadhi of the aftereffect. That's another matter altogether, so you could-- it becomes-- benefit at all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3341.0,3413.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: It's spoken of like sort of a trance, it comes and takes over, and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the quality of \"jhana\" practices, which relate with the world of desire and the world of formless. And seem that from Buddha's point of view there's to transcend three worlds altogether. So there's no kind of tranquility or particular absorption, from that sense, a trancelike situation at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3413.0,3458.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: When they speak of absorption states-- I guess they speak of in terms of states of meditative concentration. In JEWEL ORNAMENT [OF LIBERATION] when they of speak of first, second, third, and fourth, what do those-- how do those relate to these meditations, if at all? What they said about them there was that everything below the first was destroyed by fire, anything below the second was destroyed by water, third by air, and the fourth by [INAUDIBLE]. And this was quite interesting to a lot of people in the discussion groups.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that just purely get into the elements, which is not the stages but different types of meditations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well they actually called them the four stages of meditative concentration.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not necessarily stages at all. It shouldn't be stages.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well, states-- maybe it was states. I'm not quite sure [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There should be four stages, four states, four types of meditative-- related with the elements.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Could you say more about those?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Or how do you [INAUDIBLE] them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How you what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: How you bring about each of the four stages? Is it simple, like-- ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's given appropriate situations. Given situations are more likely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: But they don't relate particularly to shamatha or vipashyana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's more like shamatha practice of relating with certain elements. It is referred in the Tibetan term is \"sepa\" which means \"that which makes you use up.\" If you relate with the elements, that uses up the concept of the elements, or the implications of a concept of elements. That finally you be relate with the elements as they are, rather than you conceptualize the elements -- the earthiness, or the windy, or fiery, or whatever it may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Do those have any relationship to the fire-- anger, fire, air, and [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure, obviously yeah. But it isn't described that way, that would be tantric way to do it. But it just be described as actual factual things. The simplicity of the earth, and simplicity of the fire, and the wind, whatever it may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well, that they mentioned it in terms of cosmic, they used it in the JEWEL ORNAMENT [OF LIBERATION], they used the name \"cosmic fire\", \"cosmic wind\" at least--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, any of them should regarded as cosmic thing anyway. Always. There's no personal emotions, but emotions are cosmic ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3458.0,3657.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17a]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Does this mean that like you go around practicing [INAUDIBLE] in relation to whatever [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. The different-- trying to feel the elements as the physical elements, and then the implication of the physical elements and psychological elements of, yeah. Until you get to tantric situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's precisely. Is the seed of it. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: And in the jhanas is there still awareness about [INAUDIBLE] distinction between them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the jhanas of three the realms, there will be still distinction.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: And so does meditation then [INAUDIBLE] awareness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There will be still awareness of because you are dwelling on something still. There's a sense of dwelling on it, because it's what's called common practice, ordinary practice, opposed to extraordinary practice, there are two realms. The ordinary practice is just simply relating with dwelling on it, which makes you more concentrated mind. And the extraordinary is transcending that dwelling qualities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3657.0,3751.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17b]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Could you say more about the difference between that and Hindu meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That and-- between what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24:[INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you call Hindu?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: That's the meditation [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I wouldn't say there is Hindu meditation particularly, that's Indian meditation altogether, which is universal to all Jains and Buddhists and Hindus. All use the same kind of common practices. And it is just simply there are three types of shamatha practices. One is the extrovert, one is the introverted, and then the third one is the sort of universal thing. And this particular type of meditation comes in categories of extroverted meditation, in which that you use, you're trying to learn to appreciate objects as they are. By doing that you begin to lose the sense of object and, in other word, sense of animate or inanimate, whatever you call it, the external situations and internal situations constantly altogether. So whole process becomes-- the one begin to see the flower-ness or the rock-ness or the candle-ness of it. And it's automatic in terms of inward, the emotional aspect of the whole thing. But still that whole thing is that you were dwelling on it, that you haven't got the nondualistic things, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3751.0,3858.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: You say it automatically turns inward. Wouldn't it-- Wouldn't shamatha off-- automatically become vipashyana when the time is right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. But then there's a different particular type of shamatha, which is not actually dwelling on it, but identifying with the things. That's the difference between the common meditation opposed to Buddhist meditation, the extraordinary one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: What do you mean by identifying them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Identifying is not referred as external objects, as such, but it just there. Just I'm here. Without it disregarding logical situation or conclusions as such.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: And then vipashyana-- that would be shamatha?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That would be shamatha, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: And then if you happen to be dwelling on a tree, then vipashyana might become dwelling on the entire environment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily, no. You can't dwell on the whole environment if you're dwelling on the tree.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: But, if you are dwelling on a tree and then you reach a state of high concentration, only the tree exists, then there is a possibility for expansion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, because you're purely dealing with the first skandha, this point -- is the consciousness of the tree. And beyond that, then you find a name and form concept of the skandha, which is that you can't even forget the tree-ness of the name you called tree. When you transcend from the tree-ness of it, then you still have the name of \"tree\" in your mind. So you can't transcend anything at all, from that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: It wouldn't be anything like samadhi then? [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You could have samadhi of the tree, it's be-- analogies been used like if hunter hunts for rest of his life, all of his life, he develops a shamatha practice by purely looking through the sights of his gun. But that doesn't mean he see anything else at all. He develop that kind exclusive awareness, but still you try-- you can't transcend from the concept, name and form.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: It seems to me like it would lead naturally from that point because there was such a high level of concentration, that one was-- all of the fragmentation of awareness would be removed, that there would be a certain wholeness about the situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but then you-- that's only one given situation. Exclusive situation, alone. You can't move to another situation at all, because that situation becomes so securing for you. And it becomes your home, your nest. And moving to another area is threatening for you. So, that's related with ego, holding of ego's hold, still.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: So at that point what might the teacher do in order to break that hold?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is to break out altogether the dwelling process. Stop dwelling. Trees may be not tree anymore. It's you, whatever it may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=3858.0,4088.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: How is shunyata related to the vipashyana experience of meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think there's any experience of shunyata at all in the vipashyana practice, in the primitive vipashyana practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: It's not a-- then the vipashyana practice isn't a nondualistic thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no. It's just purely sense awareness of the whole thing rather than nondualistic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: What is the transition? Is the transition something that's definite or is the transition fairly a gradual one between?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say gradual, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Between shamatha and vipashyana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, gradual.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Like gradually space develops around the complete identification with the breath?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: And what, it starts to take in more, your surroundings and your existences?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4088.0,4156.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: You just let that process happen and not try to return anyway to-- I mean if you feel practice kind of seeming to be expanding it to a vipashyana view, you're not supposed to try to bring your awareness back to shamatha as [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you know vipashyana contains shamatha, really. So you don't have bring back to-- you can't in fact, that your expansive situation is so obvious. It's like having learn how to write, and then after that how to learn to read, for instance. So once you learn how to read, you can't return to just how to write alone, without relating with how to read.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Is that something that just kind naturally--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Naturally, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: --[INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4156.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: From-- shamatha is very specific and very-- you're not likely to-- if you're doing it, you're not likely to forget what you're about. You're not likely to-- your cigarette in your mouth, you're not likely to forget to light it. You know, you don't lose track of yourself. Myself, I find, I admit that I probably have no-- I'm probably not doing vipashyana nearly, but I find that if my awareness expands to take in more of a field, then I tend to become very forgetful about the details of what's taking place. And there tends to be a very big factor of forgetfulness coming in, completely, of everything going on. There doesn't seem to be a reminding factor involved for the specific needs of the given situation. And it's just the very expansion, the non-specificness of it seems to contain forgetfulness also.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's precisely where the point of identification is necessary. That if you're able to relate with-- identify rather than meditating on it. So identifying automatically means that you are working on something. When the carpet is pulled under your feet you have nowhere to work with, anymore. So that's precisely the point of difference between the extraordinary meditation practice and opposed to ordinary practice. In ordinary practice you have object to work with. And that object begin to become hallucinative or self-, what you call, hypnotic process. Whereas if you actually relate with the object, the technique of meditation as they are, then there is no way of getting out at all. Because when you lose the object of identifying process, then you have nowhere to go. That forgetfulness automatic becomes a reminder to you, in some sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Well, suppose it's sitting meditation where there's no situation, so to speak. There isn't really any thread to follow in that case, there is no-- there's-- identifying would presumably be with, I suppose, with shunyata if there was any identifying at all. It's that-- otherwise, the situation being-- situation was-- what's the difference between meditation and just drifting, you know, unconcernedly from one association to the next without any of them making a very strong impression?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In sitting meditation, you have the help of all kinds of thoughts coming through. And as far as that situation concerned it is not really different from daily living situation at all. Because when you sit, there's no-- nothing to react, no one to react to. And thought process become much more vivid and more real. And it is in other words still same world that you are dwelling on, so that there's no problem at all actually, nothing--\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: My experience is that there's-- since there's no consequences of losing track of thoughts, I mean, there's no practical consequence, you're not going to walk into a wall or some such thing. That instead of the thoughts becoming and the thought process becoming more vivid, it becomes more vague, more faint, and sort of a waking sleep seems to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4207.0,4469.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: I'm not sure if I'm following what you're saying, but I found that what my train of thought, I mean right now, has been that somehow it's been that when you're in sitting meditation, you don't have all the other-- or you try and do away with other distractions, which in daily life there's so many things usually going on at once inside your head that keep you from being just there for one thing or there for another. I know sometimes when I sit down, I'm just working on jewelry, my total concentration is on that. And that's all-- it's like a meditation because I don't let other distractions, \"I should be studying, I should be doing this or that\" come through. In sitting meditation, your total awareness is with the breath, it takes away the-- or you're trying to do away with the distraction. And hopefully, eventually, maybe that will carry over to every aspect of your life. [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: Where do I sign? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: I'm-- you know that my train of thought is, you know, [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That seem to be quite familiar. It's a question of how you regard the world as solid world -- or even, for that matter, thoughts as solid thoughts. Even they may not be particular solid one at all, they be hazy, woolly thoughts, still they are characters, same as world, holding [UNCLEAR: corner of?] the world as it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4469.0,4595.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Well I think that's-- there's a conflict, I mean, one is led by the teaching to think that the thoughts are nothing, that they aren't solid. On the other hand, so I mean, losing them, losing track of them is no loss -- from that point of view there's nothing to hold onto there. But I'm sure the result, my particular personal result is that when I lose all those thoughts, it's not enlightenment, it's just oblivion. And...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you have thoughts, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: I don't-- when I don't particularly-- well I must be having thoughts but don't notice even that I'm having thoughts. I mean I could meditate for an hour and then not even know I'm sitting there. It's this very pleasant state. And it's even vivifying, but I'm sure it's kind of stupid, too. Forgetful, trancelike.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seem that particular situation is… there's some lack of clarity. And clarity itself becomes part of the subconscious mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: You mean the clarity is sort of--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Clarity is, in other words, irritation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: So it's avoided?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Which seem to come from the idea of seeking for absorption at the beginning, and attitude of restfulness -- just simply trying to last for this particular one hour sitting. And subconscious mind automatically blocks off the-- any kind of irritations, rather than looking for irritations or deliberately trying to bring out irritations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4595.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Someone say something?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: I was going to ask Michael [Kohn] what-- you said that that was a pleasant state, but yet you didn't know you were there. What is it that feels pleasant?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well because it is smooth.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: And so inviting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, there's no problem, just you could sink into it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: I'm thinking a woolly ball.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: A what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: A woolly ball, or a bubble.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: I had that experience myself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: I was going to say sometimes I'll be-- all of a sudden I'll be aware that I'm doing that, I've been sitting and just thinking for a half hour. And there's kind of a choice to do something else, but it's-- [laughs] You just want to go back into this sort of a self-indulgence. But that in itself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: --[INAUDIBLE] irritations.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's the idea of meditation as being quieten situation that you should get into it, you should be quiet to yourself, should be absorbed into something. That original idea comes from that, that you are not willing to disturb yourself anymore at all. And whole attitude is kind of still getting into somewhere, rather than digging things out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: So should you avoid that, or go into-- go back into it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you-- the whole point is no longer question of particular avoiding it, but the question is develop some sense of discriminating understanding. That meditation isn't regarded as smooth situation anymore at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4800.0,4919.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: You said something about seeking out irritations, is that a re-- is that ever a part of shamatha meditation or is that kind of-- can that be another form of indulgence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that seeking out irritation is-- runs right through shamatha, as well as vipashyana, through sadhana as well. Is-- whole idea is not seeking for goal or achievement from that sense, any sense at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: But it just seems like the seeking could be like an achievement.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we have to-- you accept that. I mean the whole practice of meditation is based on indulgency anyway, so we have to accept that much. We work with indulgency in order to get beyond indulgency or deception.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4919.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: How do you get past the idea that it's such a weird thing to do? [INAUDIBLE] stop at the light and you've having a [INAUDIBLE] moment, [INAUDIBLE] forcing yourself, just [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you don't compare. Comparative doesn't mean anything. You've been doing that all along. Just simply do it. Make yourself fool. [Laughs] That's very wise thing to do, make yourself fool. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4980.0,5055.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Seems like it's always so [INAUDIBLE], lately there's been a whole lot of discomfort, almost all the time. It's almost like any time things are comfortable, I start to feel like I take a side trip, [laughs] one-- as you say, the \"Gas, Food, and Lodging\" exit. [Laughter] And-- I guess there's nothing we can do but just sit with it, the discomfort?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Sometimes it becomes funny. Coming home from the land, I not only had one flat tire, I had three. [Laughter] The battery went dead, everything happened. And the rescue car that went to change the tire. And in Peter's car, the radiator went dead. And it happened to snow. And it became just fucking [UNCLEAR: real?], the more [laughs] [INAUDIBLE]. I mean it seemed all right somehow it just doesn't matter anymore. And so many things had happened that day that, it was just-- it was some kind of-- seemed almost like a lesson in patience or something. I had to get home to pack, you know. And it seemed so blessed. And it was one thing after another that seemed to appear. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] I don't know if that's flowing with it, or if you're just sitting it, but it was almost was like-- it almost seemed humorous in [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: I guess I'm talking more of like situations where sometimes I'll be with people and it almost seems like ridiculous to say anything. Like there's, you know, like there's nothing to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Yeah. Like there's no point in talking. And it's really uncomfortable to just sit sometimes and not play your games, you know, not be the entertainers and [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5055.0,5234.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: Is part of vipashyana to make the object of your meditation something else than your own self, such as your breathing and your walking? That sometimes speaking or maybe a street full of cars, things like that. Is that related to it, or is that-- ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think you have to make any object, at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: Is the shamatha practice still part of vipashyana when you're doing sitting meditation, walking meditation, or is vipashyana a dropping out and going into a type of nonmeditation, where you're just living life? Is it that, or is it still involved?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems you can't have a life situation without a not-living-life situation. I mean you can't have a rest without energy -- energy is dependent on rest. So from that point of view, sitting practice it seem to be very important, extraordinarily important, yeah. Otherwise your daily living situation become theoretical one, purely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5234.0,5337.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: In discussing shamatha and vipashyana practices, meditations, it seemed that shamatha always comes first. Is this necessarily the-- a progression in the time the meditation is going to occur?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, usually there's confusion how to relate with life. So one have to pick out certain particular given situation as your working basis, which is shamatha -- discipline of sitting and doing it. And from that discipline sitting and doing then daily living situation begin to develop, unfold itself as meaningful one, at same time. It seem to be that whole thing is that vipashyana and shamatha are interdependent, particularly in vipashyana depends on shamatha practice of actual application of meditation. Because otherwise you have nothing to relate to except your concepts and ideas, or interpretations of things that you might have read, you might have studied, you might have heard. But then that isn't actual experience, that's just purely speculating on it. So there seem to be a very big danger in terms of relating with meditation in action doesn't become theoretical one, but actual doing it, and that depends on the actual application of shamatha practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: So meditation in action would fall apart, in a sense, without the shamatha practice itself to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it could become extremely theoretical.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: The energy in other words, would disappear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, because then you have to depend on your-- you read more books, read more philosophy, think about speculative ideas. Because constantly you are running out of your substance, your material to work with. In order to reinforce that what you're working on it, unless you have the shamatha practice of sitting meditation, that your working basis becomes purely theoretical, or collecting further junk, so to speak.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: So it provides, so to speak, it provides the fuel then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: So that shamatha provides the fuel for vipashyana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yeah, yeah. In fact that very analogy that's been used in scriptures, that to gather the fuel of shamatha in order to ignite the insight of vipashyana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5337.0,5519.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: I didn't realize you were gathering anything now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: I didn't realize you were gathering anything in shamatha. I thought it was just being open and accepting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that is, you are getting something out of it. Unless you open, you can't put anything into it, because your container is completely filled up with other things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5519.0,5561.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: It seems like the Soto practice of \"shikantaza\" is pretty much the same as the way shamatha is described.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, shikantaza supposed to be without effort, without practice technique. But, if there is an effort is involved, that seem to become shamatha practice, yeah. So in other word, in order to understand the music you have to understand the silence to begin with. If you understand the silence, completely, then you can compose music accordingly. But Buddhism doesn't start with the music, start with the silence first. It's wrong end of the stick you might say. [Laughs] But still it's valid.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: So in the teaching of Zen that-- is it realized that one's going to be beginning with shamatha, making an effort to concentrate on the breath?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. But then again, there's all kinds of pitfalls with that. Is the effort becomes a practice rather than the result of the effort becomes a practice, which is a very subtle distinction. So effort shouldn't be the res-- should be-- shouldn't be the practice. Effort is just supplication-- I mean supplementary situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: It's just there sort of as a tool?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Yana\" means \"vehicle\", \"tool.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: So why mahayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You use more tools.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: Do you use any tools?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: I thought that it's supposed to be an effortless practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that is tool. [Laughs] More sophisticated tool. Effortlessness in this case is not the obj--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5561.0,5727.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: [INAUDIBLE] deep concentration [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What happen?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: [UNCLEAR: It means?] meditation is threatening to the emotion. It feels a very powerful form of meditation, but I don't make sense of [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well meditation is in this case is a bridge. There's a confusion between emotions and the perceiver of the emotions, and constantly emotion might take you over. There's that kind of fear of losing your territory is constantly there. So meditation builds a gap, builds bridge, is the-- that just-- that to this end of the shore and is linked with the other end of the shore. So you walk on it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So it could relate with this end of the shore, that end of the shore are same thing. Purely it's just that, you know, because there's a river, that which made it the same at the other end. In other word, another analogy that used be is that river is not named by because they are river, but they named by the banks. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: So it would seem to be very useful to be completely overcome by some emotion, because you can use it in this case.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: But on the other hand, this [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well once you're able to relate with emotions, they begin to function. It's like taming wild animal -- they become functional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5727.0,5841.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Don't you do a lot of damage before the point where you use the emotions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you relate with that, that's the whole point, you see. If you don't relate with it, just trying to tame immediately wild animals, or obviously could step onto, they could hurt you. But if you domesticate them first, that if you've related with it, then whole thing is secured. [Laughs; laughter].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Can you use the same kind of process in relation to much more awareness or in relation to shamatha?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely all the time. I mean that's why shamatha practice--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: [INAUDIBLE] same thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean emotions are not particularly big deal opposed to discursive thoughts. Discursive thoughts has the same constituents as emotions, in actual matter. They are same thing, but they seem to be less dramatic because they are less challenging to us.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Don't you just [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I mean that's precisely why shamatha is necessary, to purely relate with thoughts rather than trying to control your emotions to begin with. You don't have to do that at all. Only if you sit and meditate, at that time you are complete devoid of external emotions, nobody's attacking you on situation, no one's going to seduce you on that situation, everyone sitting quietly in the same room. So you have no situation of emotions in that particular case -- except your memories and your concepts, but they become thoughts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5841.0,5938.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Some of this seems it's like, a combination of thoughts and emotions, like fantasies, it seems. I mean it's almost like someone's emotion will come up and a fantasy will come on top of it or something like that. I mean, can fantasies be as productive as emotions, or as positive as [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well fantasies are based on emotions. Emotions are hope and fear, pushing or pulling, rejecting or grasping. And thoughts have that quality as well, in the mundane thoughts, disregarding their em-- the energies behind it, which is another matter altogether. But their parent is completely same qualities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5938.0,5990.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: You could actually go beyond conceptualizing as you sit in shamatha practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You wouldn't particularly not conceptualize necessarily, but you begin to realize the redundant quality of the conceptualization. Conceptualizing means defending your territory. You begin to realize you don't have to defend your territory anymore, so you still could have concepts, but they are not particularly important anymore to you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Because they're transparent.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah, transparent.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: Would the thought then become transparent -- you have to go through a period of being overwhelmed by them, too? That's part of the process.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's you-- how you begin, at the beginning anyway. Unless you wouldn't work on that, you wouldn't be on the path at all. [Laughs] Unless there's some sense of challenge. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=5990.0,6092.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: So it seems that that challenge stays with you all along, no matter how you progress, like even into very bare states of awareness but not totally pure?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, a challenge is the trigger, which put you onto the path.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: So then, at all points there can be a very heavy irritation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But then, once you're on the path, you begin to realize there's needless of the challenge, challenging mind, attitude of challenge.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: But what if you were to become comfortable at some point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's also challenge as well. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Is this the warriorlike attitude?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, very much so. Invincible. Sense of comfort is automatically opposed to discomfort, naturally. There's sense of achievement, sense of snugness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Yeah, but at that point it doesn't seem like you're being threatened of becoming unstuck. It's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. Sure, you have to maintain your snugness constantly all the time. And you relate with your past, you been snug already therefore you're trying to recreate your snugness constantly as well. So it needs maintenance alre-- all the time. Which is automatically a threat.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: So eventually, it breaks down anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Eventually you give up the whole game. [Unknown gesture or incident; laughter]. Become more sensible. [Laugh; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Is that when you begin to experience who they are,[INAUDIBLE] emotion--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you like to call it, yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=6092.0,6250.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER48: Where does the courage that it takes to be a warrior come from? Is it just there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you could begin to see that nothing else to become-- nothing else other than become warrior, you have no choice. You find yourself become warrior. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER49: Practice. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: This is different than the situation that was presented to Castenada though, in terms of Don Juan putting him into a situation where he had challenged some forces and that they were going to come and get him, and he became a warrior, and they were going to come and get him.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that same situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: Is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's a choiceless situation for him. What else can he do? There's no alternative.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: So is this what would represent the forces that Don Juan spoke of, that would destroy you if you didn't become a warrior.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in some sense that that's just purely concept. Because you don't have the sense of how you could be destroyed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: [INAUDIBLE] vipashyana.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have a clue how that you could be destroyed completely into nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown incident or gesture;\r\n\r\n\r\nlaughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=6250.0,6388.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85012/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we should close our meeting, our discussion, whatever it may be.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=6388.0,6423.21538"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720309VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=0.72,2.69"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University of Colorado\nClasses 1972, held in Boulder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=4.0,8.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This will be class number seven,\nShamatha and Vipashyana,\nheld March 9th, 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=8.45,15.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom\nremaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=15.7,22.55"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wonder\nif anybody knows","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=30.69,34.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what's the preceding talk\ntonight?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=36.28,39.22"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=39.22,46.85"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anybody?\nDo you got the sheets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=46.85,57.17"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=57.17,58.6"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you remember\nthem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=58.6,60.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\nmeditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=60.63,70.88"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which\none is that?\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=70.88,74.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=74.4,77.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah,\nthat's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=77.02,80.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also I wondered\nwhether what\nwe discussed last time.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=83.38,90.25"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anybody could say anything\nabout what we discussed\nlast time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=90.25,95.15"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: Meditation.\n[INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=97.69,99.54"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=99.54,100.92"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=100.92,102.48"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What does\nit mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=102.48,103.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: Space of awareness\n[INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=103.7,107.14"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But were you here\nlast time,\nto hear the talk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=107.14,111.13"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: 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[INAUDIBLE]\nvipashyana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=6377.2,6378.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/1197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have\na clue how that you could be\ndestroyed completely into\nnothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553#t=6378.94,6383.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161704/file/293553/transcript/85013/annotation/1198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Unknown incident or 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