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Wilde asks Rinpoche about his choice to come to the West and his experience of the culture, the purpose of his work, the role of Buddhism in Asia and the US, and why he has chosen this country as the location for a \"Buddhist renaissance.\" The Vajra Regent Osel Tendzin and David Rome also join the conversation. The article \"Precious Master of the Mountains\" was published in the Feb 14th 1977 issue of Time Magazine; read it here: \u003ca href=\"https://time.com/vault/issue/1977-02-14/page/92/\"\u003eview article\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJul 15 2021 to Dec 19 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Sophie Perks Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1977"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJournalist James Wilde interviews Trungpa Rinpoche for an article in Time Magazine. Wilde asks Rinpoche about his choice to come to the West and his experience of the culture, the purpose of his work, the role of Buddhism in Asia and the US, and why he has chosen this country as the location for a \"Buddhist renaissance.\" The Vajra Regent Osel Tendzin and David Rome also join the conversation. The article \"Precious Master of the Mountains\" was published in the Feb 14th 1977 issue of Time Magazine; read it here: \u003ca href=\"https://time.com/vault/issue/1977-02-14/page/92/\"\u003eview article\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/269/309/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1743690339","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1743688089_19770131VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":2692.25794,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/269/309/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1743690339","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/269/309/original/1743688089_19770131VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1743688091","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2692.25794,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19770131VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19770131VCTR1 - Interview - Boulder - Interview for Time Magazine Article \"Master of the Mountains\"]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, magazine interview for TIME MAGAZINE. Recording was made in Boulder, Colorado, on January 31st, 1977. This is a CTI auto-remaster made July 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=0.0,27.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTIONS]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Osel Tendzin [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mr. Wilde, why don't you come sit here?\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. It's very good of you to see us -- I see you are a very busy man.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=27.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What we're really interested in is, for the magazine, is who you are and why you're here, and it's-- the public I think is interested. We can start with an initial question which is fairly big: Why did you leave India for the West?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why did I leave India for the West?\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And, after such a-- what must have been a very highly disciplined upbringing you had in Tibet -- which in some ways is like being brought up in another planet, in compared with the West -- did you not feel lost when you came to the West? And if so, how did you resolve this when many other visitors from this part of the world have not been able to do so?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think my sense of fascination is-- or inquisitiveness is such that I didn't get lost at all. In fact I was very interested in how other people live, and how other people life situations and their general secular and spiritual life are conducted. And I had actually great time, definitely. I left Tibet, and India was very interesting. And India is of course much simpler, because as Buddhist that we have certain ideas about India already, and coming to the West first, and Europe and England, was really interesting. And coming to America doesn't seem to be all that different than Europe, generally, but then again one begin to find out all sorts of subtleties of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=45.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You didn't find Europe-- United States that much different from Europe?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, general way of life is the same thing, and in fact the only difference is maybe a slightly cruder version of Europe or something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You don't think that the United States, unlike Europe, doesn't have that legacy of history--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --weighing it down.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what I mean \"crudeness\" about it. There is some sort of-- there's sort of regeneration [sic: degeneration?] of the European dignity. But at the same time I found that people are very open and friendly. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You don't think that in a way this is furthest frontier that the West has got to as far as technology is concerned, here Europe has a kind of pessimism about it. You find that in France, you find that in England, where things are structured. In this country nothing seems to be structured -- everything seems to be possible, whether it be in science or sociology or in religion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Everything is experimented with here. Would you not say that-- would you think-- do you not think perhaps the United States is perhaps the most experimental country in the West?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely say, I would definitely say that. And I think that's why I'm here actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=158.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. Why are you in Boulder?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we found that Boulder is a very sort of pioneering town, and culturally nothing very much happens. And we found that cities like this are less aggressive, and easy to do our work and our practice of meditation. And also I like the mountains of course -- it's very much like-- somewhat like Tibet, in some sense. And Boulder is also being a sort of middle of the country -- that students from east coast and west coast could come together here, and which is very convenient in some sense -- and quite nice weather too. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Hmm? The weather is nice here?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's nice, yes. [Laughs] Not extreme as the west coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=240.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Your position here in this country, or in Europe, is very different if you'd lived the rest of your life in Tibet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it would be exactly the same thing except--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You really think so?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --wearing a suit and having telephones. But apart from that my work is working for other people is exactly the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Hmm. [Pause] You didn't find that when you removed your robes that you-- that became a civilian, or did you not become a civilian?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think I could ever become a civilian. JAMES WILDE: You were in mufti. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Incognito.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Incognito. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=302.0,361.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Did you-- when you first arrived, all kind-- it must have been somewhat startling though, wasn't it? All kinds of things go on in the Western world which did not go on, or-- there's not the money, or the capacity, or the possibility...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know, it's seem to be more or less the same thing. And the only thing is, I think is similar is, generally is people's neurosis are the same way everywhere, even though you are in Tibet or whether you are in West Europe or in America, and the same kind of neurosis. And obviously there is a difference in technologically but, well, the gadgets are interesting in the beginning but they-- the sense of interest and fascination is wears off very fast.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And what are you left with?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What are you left with, after the fascination of the gadgets is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's back to square one. Just like Tibet. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=361.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: If you had stayed in Tibet, would you have married and had children, you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably not. But one never knows. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But do you find-- actually with children, do you find that having children that this is-- that this is an enlightenment in itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think as a spiritual teacher you have children anyway, whether your own or whether you adopt them. So, working with others is very helpful.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You don't think there's something special about your own children?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not all that -- you know, they are my children; I love them, but they are not extraordinary. I don't think they are particularly special. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nHmm. [to photographer] Wide-angle lens?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Thirty-five millimeter.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=439.0,507.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Did you enjoy your time in Oxford?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In Oxford enormously, yes, I did. And lots of things to find out.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What did you find out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, about the philosophy, and psychology, and European culture. And I studied painting and photography, and I wrote my book there, BORN IN TIBET. And quite a full life, but very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=507.0,544.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. But what was the reason you came to America? And what first attract-- you have-- I believe you were living in Scotland, weren't you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You have a-- had a monastery there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one of the main reasons was that I found that England is too small for me. And also that students here send invitations to come over to America, from the result of my second publication of a book called MEDITATION IN ACTION, and people had read that already and they've invited me to come out to America.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Was there any other purpose or were you just come-- or did you just come as an experiment, as a look-- on a trip, or did you decide to stay here after you arrived, or what was your--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I was going to spend at least a year and then I end up staying here.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. Why did you decide to stay?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, somehow that country is much bigger, and the thing we talked earlier on, dealing with the people and practice of meditation, and the students are more vigorous.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: American students are more vigorous?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: More vigorous, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. Do you think that's because they have fewer preconceptions of the past as European students have?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And, that could be too, but also they have already a lot of mishmash of spiritual trips. In some sense they are more confused than Europeans, so which is very helpful to clear out their problem. Much easy to work.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You mean it's easier to deal with somebody who doesn't have set, preconceived ideas, in other words?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right. And also you know some-- you can say well there’s-- they might have some preconceived ideas, but they're all mixed up.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. More mixed up that the Europeans. ,\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: More mixed up, yes, mhmm, yeah. You could say less stuffy or something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Do you think that they are more capable of enlightenment here in America?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Do you think-- well put it this way, do you think that this is the ripest terrain for enlightenment in the world today?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, as far as our world goes that seem to be the case, but then one can never tell.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: As far as what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: My work is concerned that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And you think this is because of their confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because of confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=544.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Do your children go to-- where do your children go to school?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Local school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=727.0,733.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. Do you-- are you particularly satisfied in living in this-- within this culture or residing in this culture? Do you have any nostalgia for what you had before, the way of life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not particularly. My most important thing is my work, and wherever work happens and that's quite satisfying with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=733.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And what would you say the purpose of your work is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose to inspire in the practice of meditation and some kind of general principle of education that we're working with Naropa Institute particularly as trying to develop further sense of discipline, and a further sense of integrating a meditative outlook.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=765.0,796.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You say that one has to-- I've read one of your books, rather briefly, and I gather that one of the main points you make is that one should really live at-- for the instance, that is the instant which is important -- not the past, not the future, but *now*. Is that correct?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And is this the beginning of enlightenment, would you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the beginning of enlightenment is to find out who you are, or who you are not, according to Buddhist tradition.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Well also it was according to the Greeks, too, wasn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, something like that. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: I know the Greeks said, \"Know thyself\" -- I think that was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --that’s fairly similar, isn’t it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. But in Buddhist tradition that when you find out who you are, you find you don't exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You don't think that-- you say that human enlightenment is finding out what-- finding-- is knowing yourself and finding out that you don't exist. You-- does-- you look at that as somewhat esoteric idea for this country to accept -- I'm not suggesting for a few people to accept but for a large number of people in this country to accept. It's such a pragmatic country, wouldn't you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think the non-existence of ourselves is also very pragmatic, quite interestingly, and this is not a philosophical concept and it is an actual experience. So people find it quite easy and in some sense very rewarding, and such relief in some sense, that their solidity is just fake.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Well, I must say, I think some of the people I know would be somewhat dismayed [laughter] to discover that their solidity was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fake.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --was a fake.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: [Laughter] Don't you find that somehow, that some people are a bit bewildered when you tell them that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think they're relieved.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You think they're relieved?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they don't have to fight with them anymore and they don't have to take everything as a big deal.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But surely, struggle is the essence of life -- at least certainly struggle in this country is the essence of life, that's what everybody is taught. Everybody's taught you have to go out, you have to acquire a certain knowledge in order to be able to acquire a comfortable life. I mean this is the thing in which this country is predicated on, isn't it? Upward social mobility is this myth the Unites States has, which draws people to this country from all over the world, whether it be from the Far East or from Europe or Middle East, anywhere. I mean that's the-- isn't that the reason that people come here, is because they acquire a--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that's one of the interesting point is that people come here, and then finally they begin to realize, they begin to question about themselves. I think that's why Buddhism is very appealing around here, too, because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=796.0,1008.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Because I was-- I wanted to ask because I was interested in reading when you were saying, I read that-- your book on meditation, and I wondered whether this wasn't somewhat autobiographical on your part? Did you, when you come-- when you came-- did you-- were you prepared for disappointment when you came to the West? Or did you look at this like a child might look at a Christmas tree?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I was prepared for anything. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm. Were you surprised by what you found?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh no, because I was prepared for everything so I wasn't surprised. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And nor were you really disappointed I suppose?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not really.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But you did fall in love.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, sure. And that wasn't a surprise at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: That wasn't a surprise?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: That wasn't a surprise either? [Laughter] Well I trust it was a joy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure, sure. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1008.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What is-- it seems to be-- you seem to be one of the very few gurus, or spiritual leaders, or-- how would you describe yourself? What term can I use to apply to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know. \"Meditation--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What term you use?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Usually we known as \"meditation master.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably simplest one.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: That-- in tradition, meditation masters, or priests, or whatever they are, have grown up within a tradition, a tradition of practices, of robes, accoutrements, things like that. You have left that behind in a way, haven't you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I wouldn't say exactly \"left behind\" but as we said already I'm in incognito, and people begin to pick up-- in fact what's happening here is that students are begin to go back to the tradition. At the beginning Buddhism was presented by myself in purely psychological terms, and now Buddhism is begin to become a practice, and the students are returning to the original-- the discipline of Buddhism. And people begin to learn how to conduct rituals and ceremonies and how to say mantras and that kind thing slowly happening, because now they have some sense of what's happening. So we are actually going back to the tradition this point.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Does that mean you'll put your robes back on again, come out of incognito?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. I think as far as students concerned, I am in robe.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Aha, very nice, yes. [Pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1084.0,1197.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But why Buddhism? There are many religions in this country, What-- I imagine the readers of TIME and my editors for that matter would be interested to know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --is why Buddhism? What-- will Buddhism help them solve their-- the coal prices in the East? Will Buddhism help solve the missile gap, or the missile problem, or the armaments problem, all those things? In other words, what is-- what do you-- what does Buddhism offer the United States that it doesn't have now?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think why Buddhism for one thing is because the Buddhism is the only nontheistic spiritual discipline that exist, and people don't have to look for external savior, but they could discover freedom within. And that seem to be one of the points. The other thing is the social and the economic situation, is that I think Buddhism would help a great deal and at least help this little town called Boulder. And we haven't begun expanding into other things yet, but I'm sure if people begin to find some sense of self-contained-ness and then with energy into themselves, and there would be less aggression and more sense of insightfulness and creativity. So, I think the general concept of Buddhism is to work for others -- that's one of the basic themes of Buddhism. So, Buddhists would be less lazy than anybody else.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: That's also the philosophy in China, isn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that, yes, that’s true, not to stay idle.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Not to stay idle. I was in China a couple of years ago and I asked a schoolchild, \"What are you going to do when you grow up?\" And the child says, \"I'm going to help my people, I'm going to help society.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Isn't that the same theme?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Similar kind of thing, yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1197.0,1326.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But, if I may be so bold, in the past Buddhism have-- Buddhist countries such as Indochina, Tibet, India, Burma, Thailand, some of these countries have rejected Buddhism, have turned to another form, which is Communism, whichever kind of Communism it happens to be. This doesn't dismay you, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no, I don't think so. One of the problems there is that people have felt that Buddhism is old-fashioned, and somehow the technology is not related with Buddhism, and they thought either it came from the Communist concept or the Christian concept which brought technology. So people in the East have a strange concept of progress. And I think that's one of the signs of that Buddhism is slowly dying out, and unlike the golden age of Buddhist traditions, but you know these days in twentieth century that people begin to practice less, they meditate less.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And therefore they begin to fail to, you know-- realize Buddhism less. And also people like to have some kind of change, obviously, and fascination of foreign culture.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yeah but surely in China, or for that matter in Vietnam -- Vietnam was a Buddhist country -- the rejection of Buddhism or the success of the Communists there was nationalist, as well as the fact that they had problems with feeding in the country, you know, purely practical things of eating. I mean, in China--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --they no longer say “Good morning\" by asking around whether have you had a bowl of rice today.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Don't you think that preoccupation was even more pressing than just catching up with the Western world? I don't get the impression that China is interested in catching up with the Western world at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, China has its own Western world -- which they don't acknowledge it but it is a Western style, Western approach -- which is Communism, come from the West. And I think that's generally the case, and people-- I think a lot of the problems that Buddhist leaders of China or Southeast Asia fail to translate Buddhism completely up-to-date situations. And they were concerned about their own little territory. And there was a lot of problem there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1326.0,1493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But if it hasn't worked as an all one-- no one can say that it hasn't worked, but do you get the-- do you really think that there's more fertile ground here than say its birthplace in India? In other words, do you think that the United States is a more fertile ground for the practice-- for the *true* practice of Buddhism--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --than say India, or Burma, or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think-- my theory is that as world begin to turn into a further progress or further mechanically sophisticated society, and people begin to question twice, and Buddhism will go back to their countries. And they will begin to see a new kind of the same Buddhism, and which is happening in America too in some sense -- that we had to relate with the reality our students have nine-to-five jobs.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They practice meditation which they find quite exuberant.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yes, but this hasn't answered the question quite, has it? Now would-- why-- I still don't see why Buddhism should flourish here more than it would flourish say where it was born? That's what I don't see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think because here is there's the already preparation has been done already, and state of mind of the people, and frustration about life, and the ultimate achievement of modern comfort doesn't provide any satisfaction... and difficult to contain their own intelligence.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yeah, so it's fertile ground for something, obviously.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah, I would say Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You say Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1493.0,1615.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: But it's not an overnight-- I mean you haven't come with a panacea or a secret formula or a way of changing gold-- lead into gold, have you? It's a long process.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh no, oh no. It's long process. We been working for past six years, which is quite a long process, but on the other hand, it seem to be quite fast when we look back. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: It *has* -- but what, you started off I think in Vermont with six or seven people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: And would you say the reason for this is because of the need?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because of the people's ripeness.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And because of how we present it, as a slow journey rather than sudden one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1615.0,1655.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [to the Vajra Regent] Do you have anything to add? [to James Wilde] You should ask some questions to this gentleman, too.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Well, what the hell? Why did you become a Buddhist? Why not a Catholic, or a Jew, or a-- or whatever?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: But I was already Catholic.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Ah -- that’s a problem to start with, isn’t it? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Can't become it again. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: I know, there are new Catholics, too, you know. .\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: I suppose there are. It seems, yeah. Well, I think the situation in which I became a Buddhist -- it's a very common one -- the same kind of frustration with so many ways to go. There are so many different items on the menu, so to speak. This was the sixties, which you remember -- people like myself were frustrated, which erupted in all kinds of political things, and student this and that, and drug culture, and whatnot. But, I think basically, when you come to the end of the road, there's a brick wall, some sort of brick wall, and that brick wall is Buddhism in a way. It doesn't say, \"Well, here is the next rainbow, here’s the next wonderful thing for you to try.\" But on the contrary it says, \"You should look at exactly what's happening\" -- your frustration, your pain, your anguish, whatever it is -- rather than trying to convert it into some other dream. Which I thought was that, you know, ultimate common sense. Just plain intelligence. What I'm talking about is practicing meditation. So that's basically why I became a Buddhist. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Because of practicing meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Well, what I'm talking about there is that instead of trying to convert one's frustration into another fantasy, basic practice of meditation talks about look at the content of mind. How does it work? How does it come about that you feel such pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yeah, but meditation is nearly as old as when man came out of the trees, isn't it? I mean meditating in the desert, they have been meditating in the forest, they have been meditating on the sea...\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Meditation is as old as--\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Well, we’re talking about meditation in the sense of Buddhist meditation, I suppose, which doesn’t presuppose any ideal -- at least in the beginning -- any ideal state of mind. In other words, there's no carrot in front, saying you know, \"You are completely confused now, but if you do this little thing for twenty minutes a day or whatever, you're going to be feeling better by the evening.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You're not a sop, in other words.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Yeah. Which I-- you know, is just plain, hard fact, realistic.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Okay, so if there's no plain hard-- there's no sop, if there's no other god, if there's no other dream, what is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: I think that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Reality?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: --I think that's exactly it.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: That's the thing that people like myself were struck by -- that nobody was trying to sell a bill of goods. But somebody came along and said, \"Well, look and see exactly what's going on.\" Your own life, your own thought patterns, your own emotions, all that. In other words not in the sense of therapy, but just actually what's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1655.0,1918.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: How do you suppose-- what is the-- what is the goal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is the goal? [to David Rome] You can answer that. [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well there's a lot of ways [INAUDIBLE]. I suppose one way to say the goal is to have no goal. But just again, to be practical about it, some kind of life based on intelligence, insight into what's actually going on around you, openness to what's going on around you. Which automatically becomes concern, or compassion as it's usually called, for other people. The goal is to live in the world without wanting from it something that you can never get. Which, according to the Buddha, was the basic problem with people, that they constantly want something they can never get.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yeah, but men have been dreaming about things that they haven't-- that they didn't think they were able to get for eons as well. Men used to go and tear meat off animals and eat it and then somebody invented fire.[ring] I mean surely life has been-- the progress of man has been continually realizing the dreams that he thought he couldn't have.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well that's fine, there's no problem with that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Speaking on phone] Hello.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But what the-- I think what the Buddha was saying is that underneath that there's always some thing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Speaking on the phone] Yes, yes, I'll talk to him, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: --that we want which we don't get, which is that we want our-- the validity of our existence proved.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hello? Hello? [Speaking Tibetan]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: And there's no problem of having an appetite to begin with, which could bring [INAUDIBLE WORDS] creativity, but as long you want the thing you can't get, it all becomes further suffering. So there's Buddha's original statement that life is suffering, which doesn't mean that you never [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Continues speaking Tibetan;  laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: I think there's a point there about what you want that you can't have. We're not talking about fire to cook the meat, we're talking about there's some sort of fanciful thing which doesn't really exist in the material around you. In other words, is there some way in which I can eradicate my world the way it is and make it into a completely different one -- which doesn't take into effect-- into account the reality of what's happening. In other words to get that fire, somebody had to practice, [INAUDIBLE] I mean that's a plain fact. That's what I meant earlier about meditation. In order to attain some kind of clarity of mind you have to rub two things together. You can't take the magic [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Continues to speak Tibetan]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Yeah, in other words for any change you have to have effort, obviously.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Effort. Which you-- what-- which you call \"practice.\" But there are two kinds of effort, in this case: the right effort, according to Buddhism, and the effort which is based on some sort of frivolity or fantasy. People who got that fire used the tools that were there.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Do you see what I mean? In a sense, in practicing meditation: what's there? You have thought patterns, you have bodily sensations, you have emotions. They are what are there. Now they aren't transplanted with some new things. In other words you have all kinds of thoughts.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Some things you call \"good thoughts\", some things you call \"bad thoughts.\" The general approach is, what a lot people think meditation is just to get rid of all your bad thoughts and then you're going to be happy, which doesn't imply that making fire, some kind of transplant.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: So meditation is not to ease your soul, in other words?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Absolutely not -- not from a Buddhist point of view anyway. That's one of the best things about nontheistic-ness.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Continues speaking Tibetan on the  phone]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=1918.0,2303.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: I gather that your trying to explain what Buddhism is all about to me is rather like trying to explain to a child what manhood is. What it's going to be like when I grow up -- I realize that. [laughter] But people are, normally want some-- a purpose, basically. And that I think is the thing that is very difficult to get across is, to what purpose does one-- I mean if it's just a vehicle for greater understanding, or if you were going to address a group of American, highly powerful American businessmen, say the hundred top firms in FORTUNE MAGAZINE or something, and talk about Buddhism, if you could tell them how Buddhism would make them more money, or give them more control of the world. I should imagine they'd be quite interested, same to the military establishment, if you went to the Pentagon and talked about Buddhism, and you could tell them that would be a way of being able to destroy the Soviet Union -- I should think they'd also be quite interested. [Laughter] But you see what I'm driving at, I’m basically-- what can I tell-- or what can TIME MAGAZINE or any in fact any, tell-- what would be their advantage? People are basically motivated by that unfortunately.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Motivated by Buddhism?\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: People are very-- people don't want to do something unless they're going to get an advantage from it. What advantage--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: --can Buddhism bring to the United States at this moment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think important point is they have to try first and then find out. If you going to try to explain the details, you going to get further confused. So we don't want to confuse them further. And people begin to find that some kind of general sense of growth is taking place in their state of being. But they have to try themselves, first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=2303.0,2429.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: What was the most distressing thing that you found about the West, or was there nothing more distressing here than elsewhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know. Lack of heritage in America, probably. But it's not all that painful, distressing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=2429.0,2457.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Do you envision-- do you think there's a possibility that there could be a renaissance of Buddhism here?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: That's why you're here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's why I'm here, that's right. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Is it because of the-- also because of the country's affluence? I mean if you-- when a country is not preoccupied with eating and surviving, then it allows-- then art and civilization comes. 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[Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mr. [UNCLEAR: Wilde?] I think we'll have to just close down quite shortly, by the way.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=2457.0,2619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78151/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: ...well I travel around, but I'm based here.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: You have two sons, I think.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Two-- three sons, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Two?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Three.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Three?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAMES WILDE: Are they going to follow in your footsteps, you think, or do you want them to follow in your footsteps?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=2643.0,2692.25794"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78152","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19770131VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78152/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,\nmagazine interview for TIME","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=2.21,8.41"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78152/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MAGAZINE. Recording was made\nin Boulder, Colorado,\non January 31st, 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=8.41,17.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78152/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI\nauto-remaster made July 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309#t=17.72,24.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146101/file/269309/transcript/78152/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: Osel 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