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When practitioner has removed dualistic barriers of preconceptions, mahamudra as clear perception of phenomenal world as it is; richness of pure sense perceptions, without inhibitions. Clear perception as the experience of the five buddha families, or five wisdoms. Notion of orderly chaos: things might seem chaotic but there is a pattern. Crazy yogi has no doubt, sees world in the light of mahamudra, but nevertheless subtle sense of \"experience,\" reference point remains; maha ati, the next and highest yana, transcends even that reference point. Mahayogayana speaks of ultimate power; crazy wisdom as opposed to crazy yogi. Role of the wrathful deities.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Lion's Roar","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 04"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: THE LION'S ROAR: Part Two, Chapter 9: Mahamudra and Maha Ati\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-lion-s-roar-921.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 4 (in contained book THE LION'S ROAR)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-385.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eApr 23 2025 to Dec 08 2025 Transcribing: JP Glutting Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMahayoga, the eighth of the nine yanas, and the second of the higher tantras. When practitioner has removed dualistic barriers of preconceptions, mahamudra as clear perception of phenomenal world as it is; richness of pure sense perceptions, without inhibitions. Clear perception as the experience of the five buddha families, or five wisdoms. Notion of orderly chaos: things might seem chaotic but there is a pattern. Crazy yogi has no doubt, sees world in the light of mahamudra, but nevertheless subtle sense of \"experience,\" reference point remains; maha ati, the next and highest yana, transcends even that reference point. Mahayogayana speaks of ultimate power; crazy wisdom as opposed to crazy yogi. Role of the wrathful deities.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1766092785_19730526vctr1-audio-prod-cticustrmstr-access.mp3"]},"duration":3837.29413,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/299/065/original/1766092785_19730526vctr1-audio-prod-cticustrmstr-access.mp3?1766092786","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3837.29413,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730526VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730526VCTR1 - Public Seminar - San Francisco - The Nine Yanas I - Talk 9]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled The Nine Yanas I, held in San Francisco, California. This is Talk Nine, Mahamudra, recorded on May 26th, 1973. This is a CTI custom remaster made May 2025.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=0.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seem to be necessary to clarify the different classifications of tantra. That you have a gradual development, from kriya and upa and yoga, is the psychological evolutional, gradual development. And there is what's called the fourth stage tantra in that order, which is \"anuttara.\" It's known as the New Translation tantra, is called in Tibet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=28.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the reason why it's called \"New Translation tantric school\" is because that the maha ati teachings of tantra had been introduced in Tibet early on, the time of Padmasambhava. And the New Translation tantra started from time of Marpa, and other great translators who introduced tantra. So that's later tantric school that developed: the teachings of Naropa, and the teachings of Virupa, are the basically the outstanding tantric traditions developed in Tibet. Is that teachings of Naropa has affected the tantric traditions of Gelukpa, Kagyupa. And the tantric teachings of Virupa is another siddha, who had affected the tantric-- the teaching-- tantric teaching tradition of Sakyapa order.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=92.0,165.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there's another classification of tantric approach is the school of mahamudra, and the school of maha ati level. That the school of mahamudra is-- belongs to the new tantric tradition, the New Translation tantric tradition. The-- predominantly the basic meditation practice that involved in the tantric tradition of kriyayoga, upayoga, and anuttarayoga are connected with mahamudra practice. I think we discussed mahamudra the other day, but maybe we have to go over it more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=165.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The idea of mahamudra is having developed clear perception of removing the dualistic barrier, by practice of shunyata, understanding of bodhisattva's experience, bodhisattva's insight. Having removed the obstacles or the barrier of the form, then one begin to see clear perception of phenomenal world as it is. And that is the mahamudra experience. It's not that mahamudra only cuts the dualistic barriers, but also recreate our sense of richness. That appreciating the world again once more, without preconception and without barrier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=216.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In a sense that shunyata experience could be said as some kind-- somewhat totally negative experience, therefore cutting down. Still involved with some sense of struggle. That in some sense you could say shunyata experience needs a reference point, of the barrier, creates the reference point of non-barrier. In the mahamudra principle, that you do not need even barrier to express itself or even anything to go against with. But just pure, straightforward expression of the world of sight, smell, touchable objects, are self-existing mandala experience. That there's no inhibition at all; that things be seen precisely, beautifully, and without any fear that you launch into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=297.0,379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The-- from that experience, of mahamudra, within that experience of mahamudra's clear perception -- if we could use that word, clear perception. And this case clear perception is the experience of the five wisdoms, of the five buddha families. Clear perception mirror-like wisdom of the vajra, seeing things precise and sharp-edged, methodical, and everything's in order. And the wisdom of discriminating awareness of padma family begin to relate with the sense of perspective, and sense of relationships; or in other word, sorting out. The vajra aspect of the mirror-like wisdom is just precision and vision. Almost, you could say, the discriminate awareness wisdom of padma is more of discriminatory kind, a sorting process. And then the wisdom of equanimity of ratna provides a general background, that everything is workable; everything's dealt, nothing's missing. And then the wisdom of fulfillment of all actions of the karma family is the driving force behind that wisdom can put into practice. And then the dharmadhatu wisdom is the buddha family; is the all-encompassing space in which that nothing's rejected, everything's-- absolutely everything's included, both samsara and nirvana. Or anything that one can imagine at all, is included, part of the experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=379.0,543.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So those five wisdoms are connected with a sense of... somewhat a sense of *suggestion* of wildness, in the fashion of a crazy yogi. That things are-- fundamentally anuttarayoga's approach to life is that, no need for careful examination within outside of those wisdoms. That things are already sorted out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=543.0,589.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's precisely what mean mandala: things are already sorted out. They have their perspective already, it doesn't have to be sorted out. And seen as orderly; chaos is orderly chaos. Things might be seen as chaotic but there is a pattern, there's order. So, that's point-- from that point the notion of the crazy yogi is that there's no reason to be careful of, because things already worked out. And in this case it's not just purely blind faith and jumping in, but seeing in the right perspective, so therefore you have no relatively doubt of. And moreover that your relationship with the master, teacher, is the person who pushes you if you are in doubt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=589.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So with the personal conviction to the teaching, to the wisdoms, and the closely guided help of the teacher, gives the birth of crazy yogi. Crazy in this case means taking no count of looking twice, but one-- flash of one experience is enough. And it is real flash of experience, seeing the world in the light of wisdom, light of mahamudra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=661.0,725.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everything happens in the life situation; even if you forget to acknowledge, the life comes to you and acknowledge *you*. So that it's perpetual development, that the practice goes on even in state of absent-minded level, that the teaching goes on, learning process goes on. And we could say that that is the highest experience of in anuttarayoga could achieve. And of course if you are studying with the particular sadhana of certain particular herukas, and so forth, that you have a-- exactly the same way as the rest of your practice. That the forms that we perceive are the images of the heruka, and the sound that we hear is the voice of the heruka, and anything occurred in the realm of mind is the wisdom of the heruka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=725.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that you're being seeing things into pictures, or you have recreated heaven. That you see the traffic lights as traffic lights, and then you see your dollar bills as your dollar bills. But they begin to mean-- they all have some vajra quality behind it. Vajra quality in this case is the sense of that things are so rich, even just a fraction of a grain of sand is a rich one. Or broken bottle in the street. Or the dogshit, whatever. That they are vajra nature, vajra qualities in them. I prefer not to use the word \"divine\" this way, this point, because when we talk about divine, that is a sense of softness, and a sense of hierarchical setup. But when we use the word \"vajra\" in this case, does not have hierarchical -- or there's no emotional saving grace, or higher being, or greater, but sharp and precise and highly profound experience. So that whatever happens in our life situations in terms of tantric practice, that the whole thing becomes the expression of the heruka, or mahamudra experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=811.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But still that's not the ultimate experience. There are more to go. We can... we wonder that if you have cut the dualistic barrier, and if you perceive the world as it is, in the light of the wisdom, and if you can dance with the gods and goddesses, so to speak, and converse with them in the most practical, simple way, that one would feel that, \"What else do you want?\" Sounds great. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=938.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Still, something doesn't click. There's a... still there is a sense of an experience. And still there's a sense of commuter -- back and forth journey. However all-pervasive may be, and how equal may be, how clear may be, how tranquil it may be: still, it's experience. Still it's mudra. Still it's a message. And still this is truth. And still this is the ultimate. And all of those have a reference point. Still this is regarded as the perfect one. And that seem to be the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=994.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have three more yanas to go, and those next three yanas, of maha ati category, are cutting through those reference point. Ati is called \"the end\" -- \"ati\", \"dzokpa chenpo\" in Tibetan means \"the end,\" \"the great ending.\" Gigantic full stop. Rather than beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1088.0,1139.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The three categories of maha ati experience, of transcending reference point *at all*, and abandoning idea of wisdom, opposed to confused or fool. That seems that we cannot just cut down the language. We can't just start from the outside. Something had to happen right *within*. And, as far as the perceiving or relating with the herukas concerned, that they have to be *more* terrifying, or more peaceful. That even the reference point of logic couldn't describe their extreme existence, extreme experience. It's so extreme that even the word \"extreme\" does not apply anymore. It's fathomless experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1139.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the first yana of the maha ati yana is, that's what's called mahayogayana. And there's some confusion between the languages, that anuttarayoga of the mahamudra yoga is-- yana is also-- the final one is also referred as mahayoga. But this is a different type of mahayoga, it's something beyond anuttara.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1237.0,1358.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this yoga speaks of... the ultimate power is in the destroying notion of power. Or ultimate idea of enlightenment is the destroying enlightenment. Not destroying the enlightenment concept, but destroying enlightenment *itself*. So far what we've been doing in the past was we find some holes in some teaching, and we laid heavy trip on it being concept, and we found our scapegoat that way. So we got rid of concept but we didn't get rid of the conceptualizer. Even to the subtle point of this level, that we still hang onto it, still go on. In spite of someone who achieved highest form of mahamudra still hangs onto that logic, that style of dealing with ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1358.0,1407.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this case that destroying the destroyer. And destroying the creator. Or we could use the positive word, say that to create the creator, destroy the destroyer. Doesn't matter; it's not question of-- there's no negation or positive things involved particularly affirmative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1407.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's the-- seem to be glimpse of what's called crazy wisdom opposed to the crazy yogi. There seem to be some differences between the two. When we talk about crazy yogi, yogi is a practitioner, has a reference point to the journey, that yogi is still moving towards the goal, or still walking on the path, practitioner, but still wise. But different from crazy wisdom. And the crazy wisdom in this case is-- in Tibetan word crazy wisdom is \"yeshe cholwa.\" \"Yeshe\" is wisdom, \"cholwa\" means \"unleashed\", or \"run wild.\" So \"wisdom run wild.\" That's the ultimate form of craziness, which is the highest form of insanity, needless to say. [Laughs] That because that does not believe in any extremes at all -- no doesn't dwell on it, rather. Believing is this case is very primitive, but then when you destroy the belief, then you begin to dwell on the achievement, assertion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1437.0,1536.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the notion of mahayogayana is connected with bringing the head and heart together in practical level. And such is that you probably have read The Tibetan Book of the Dead, the peaceful deities are stationed in heart chakra. And the wrathful deities are stationed in brain chakra. And at this point of mahayogayana level that real introduction of the wrathful deities begin to come alive. Whereas in the case of the previous yanas, of the mahamudra yanas, that there's not enough emphasis on the wrathful aspect of it. Instead of wrathful... instead of describing as wrathful, it is described as \"threatening.\" The \"threatening,\" \"passionate,\" and \"meditative.\" In the mahamudra yogas, deities are expressed as that, and passionate, with a consort, or by being themselves passionate, or-- and meditative being ignorant. And wrathful as described as threatening, rather than being wrathful. Threatening has implication of being objective, but you could be-- you don't have to lose your temper, but you could be threatening. Whereas in the case of mahayogayana you *have* to lose your temper, you have to be hundred percent if not two hundred percent into the wisdom. That's why it's more like real angry, rather than trying to play games skillfully, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1536.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other aspect of the wrathful deities are that... that they have taking the costumes of Rudra, of ego. They subjugate Rudra, of ego, and use the costumes of Rudra of ego. Which is not abandoning the negative, confusing, samsaric world as being something bad but using it as part of their ornament. The wrathful principle is connected with the brain, intellect. And the peaceful deities are connected with heart, emotions. And the intellect, in this case is not necessarily that of analytical, or rational mind. But intellect in this case is something aggressive in the vajra sense, something extremely powerful in the vajra sense. So that's why the timing in The Tibetan Book of the Dead is that first you see the peaceful deities, and if they are not able to help you, then those peaceful ones turns into angry ones; they begin to lose their temper, and struck you again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1705.0,1833.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The wrathful deity that described in the maha ati school of tantric tradition speaks of the *immense* anger -- without hatred of course. Immense anger that enlightened mind can ever produce, as the most intensified form of compassion. And there's so much love and kindness, compassion, and it's turned into red. And that's the expression of crazy wisdom is that at this point there's no problem of maintaining balance. And extremes are used as balance rather than-- extreme situations are used as a reference point or balance situation rather than that of the compromise situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1833.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And basically, one of the leading mandala situation in the mahayogayana is that of the mandalas of what's called \"hundred divinities.\" That's the leading tradition of the mandala. Which is forty-two peaceful divinities and fifty-eight wrathful divinities of the Vajrasattva principle, which means that the all vajra nature, the vajra passion and vajra anger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1911.0,1977.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that we could discuss in great detail of these details, iconographical symbolism, connected with the growth of the experience that evolved in the yanas, but we don't have enough time. And also I feel responsible, that I don't want to confuse you by introducing lot of stuff and names and ideas that you probably fail to see the general pattern, and may be fascinated by the details, so forth.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo maybe it would be good to have a good discussion. Listen to tape tomorrow, and then the final talk-- [quietly] Is there a final talk tomorrow? That's too bad. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nHowever probably I should stop at this point here, and we can sort out what I have to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=1977.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You mentioned that these things serve as reference points, in this yana, compared to [INAUDIBLE] the middle way [INAUDIBLE]. Would that mean that there still are reference points, in the mahayogayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahayogayana? In the mahayogayana, yes, still. But it's much better one. But still you haven't ma-- haven't reached the maha ati yet, so still there's a reference point. You see, finally, any techniques, any method that we might present, become a reference point. Any activity that we might present becomes a reference point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2055.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM BERCHOLZ: You were going to say something, or you attempted to say something about mahayogayana and something you described as \"the mother's curse.\" Do you want to pick that up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahayoga? I was thinking of talking about that tomorrow; there are whole eight of them. [Laughter] The mother's curse is one of them; there are eight of those things. I don't know whether we could have a blackboard or something to write on, could draw a chart or something. Which might be helpful to do that tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. Could put it on the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2111.0,2156.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Could you explain how a practice of mahamudra is related, or has any [INAUDIBLE] practice of visualization?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Practice of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: How the practice of mahamudra, is it related with, or [INAUDIBLE] with the [INAUDIBLE] visualization of the [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we-- that's-- mahamudra practice is already a highly visual thing. Highly, you know, so much in tuned with the colors and sights and smell, and any perceptions. So much in tuned with it because there's no barrier anymore. So the visualization does become imagining something, but you actually do feel the-- whatever the deity you might be practicing, you practice on. Like if you're doing, say, Kalachakra, that you feel so overwhelming, that whatever you do in your life is completely bombarded with Kalachakra-ness. And visualization comes to you, and strikes you, and therefore there's no problem with that. It's a question of how much you can go too far, willing to go too far, in terms of, you know, opening, giving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2156.0,2242.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Isn't it-- sometimes is it not true that people practice mahamudra just simply without any visualization as well, just pure [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's the-- in fact Saraha was attacking the idea of visualization, and why couldn't be just pure mahamudra without any trips. And that's one of the mahamudra practice, yearning towards maha ati level. And begin to break through, begin to become more revolutionary. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2242.0,2271.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Could you explain how extreme compassion turns into extreme anger and wrath?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know how to explain about that, but, I mean, that's it. That you have to experience--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It just happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You have to experience it, I suppose. You know, I could use all kinds of adjectives, but they just become words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2271.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What should one do upon meeting a wrathful deity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What should one do upon meeting a wrathful deity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meeting one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think you can meet them. Just--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well that kind of vibration.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, you couldn't--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Encountering that kind of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you wouldn't just meet, like that. [Laughter] And you become somewhat associated with that yourself. You know, it's that you are approaching that direction already. And so you're ready to see it, ready to experience that way. So there wouldn't be any surprise; it would be very gradual thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So there would be an identification with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, there would somewhat identification with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2295.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: This extreme anger of the maha ati, is it something that's directed towards the self and growth, or can this manifest in the world? How *would* it manifest, it-- this extreme anger with compassion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How could it manifest?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: How would someone who was practicing this, a being who *was* at the maha ati yana, would this be manifested in his teaching, or in his own practice, personally?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think life experience of all, you know, that there is a sense of sort of crazy wisdom of unreasonable. But still, you know, being reasonable. And very dignified wildness. It's so solid and so sharp at the same time. And that could relate with, you know, lifestyle, dealing with individuals, or dealing with oneself. All *kinds* of possibilities. Wherever there is energy there is that possibility.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: It's just sort of that fervor, that kind of energy produces.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: It's just sort of kind of a fervor, that energy produces.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Kind of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: A fervor.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, it's a product of a long experience of dismantling yourself. Started from the hinayana level.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2348.0,2465.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Do the wrathful deities relate at all to vajra hell that were mentioned yesterday?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's the jail of the wrathful deities [laughter], I suppose you could say. That no one can save you from that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But vajra hell is different from [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Manifest--?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Are the wrathful deities what put you in vajra hell [UNCLEAR: and keep you there?]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not necessarily. Wrathful deities are by no means regarded as jail keeper. They are more likely a powerful friend. Who would not go along with you if you are not going along with him. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2465.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: To what extent can these yogas, levels of awareness you're speaking of, be assimilated into Western forms, Western psychology? To what extent do you think they need to be kept in their traditional Tibetan form?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think if people have some understanding of the psychology of it, the whole idea of it, which is not foreign idea particularly. It's just general, sort of universal logic, cosmic logic that everybody could agree, you know. That's why, you know, teaching is called the truth. That everybody agree that fire is hot, and that kind of thing. And having understood basic principles, psychologically, and experienced some kind of practice or with it, I think there is no problem in transplanting. The images cease to become a cultural expression particularly. They just become image of its own.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo I think if people have a basic understanding of the psychology and the philosophy, and *particularly* they have, you know, good background training on understanding of the basic Buddhism -- hinayana and mahayana -- it doesn't have to be even adapted, or, you know, it doesn't have to even trying to cut down or reduce so that it become presentable, at all. It's a question of that if person able to feel it, see it, experience it, that it become too obvious. And it seems that happens in the past, in Tibet and also in Japan when tantra was introduced, and other countries where things were introduced, that they were not adapted to anything but they were just transplanted, straight from the horse's mouth. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2522.0,2671.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is there a merging or a union of wrathful and peaceful deities?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Or do you experience them one after the other?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one after the other, yeah, that's-- there's no-- I mean there-- you see, there's no choice on either of those. So if there's a union that means there should be some choice, or some compromise. There's no compromise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2671.0,2705.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, it seems in the matter of visualization, it's important to focus on that question, about the mahamudra, the experience without visualization, and [INAUDIBLE] and discuss that. In the states of maha ati, are visualizations necessary for the states of maha ati, or is there a more direct method?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is visualization after the... Huh, it gets very complicated then. There is three stages of maha ati actually, again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yes. Well say that, maha maha ati, \"the great maha ati\"--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, there is no visualization.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But why is it necessary for visualization to get to the great dzogchen experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think visualization is-- is basically the purpose of visualization is to able to identify yourself with the principles of enlightenment principles. And also to appreciate the colorfulness of the energy around you, your world, at the same time. So that your world is being seen as one of the herukas, one of the deities. I mean that's, you know, that needs a lot of techniques to do that. That you are-- begin to use head and heart together. And particularly appreciation of energy, in terms of visual, audial, appreciation of energies are very, very difficult.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe probably would feel that if we are watching a good movie or something, listening to classical music or jazz and whatever, we feel that we can identify with the sound, we can go along with it, or dance with it. Or you could forget you're sitting on a chair watching movie. But, in actual fact we are fascinated rather than we are being one with it, actually. So to tune-- in order to tune into the energy, cosmic energy, it's *very* difficult one. It's not matter of just swinging along with it alone, it needs a lot of techniques and manipulations, so to speak. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2705.0,2854.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, is there an equivalent in Western psychology of, I mean anything approaching mahamudra? I mean, like Jung?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is a touch of that in Jung I suppose, but their problem is becomes so philosophical, rather than practice. That-- I mean he himself didn't know how to handle the idea of practice. And that seem to become... I mean, it's very profound and you know, wise thing to talk about and think about. But you know, how to practice that, people tend to get very nervous. In case that they get sued. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2854.0,2900.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How does one destroy power?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How to what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How does one destroy power?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By becoming completely one with the power, from a maha ati point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2900.0,2922.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: When you talk about dignified, perhaps in deities, you used the word \"dignified\", which implies to me that-- the word \"dignity\" implied not an impulsive reaction to anything. In other words, it implied a sort of a framework of karma yogas, which used to be spontaneous enrichment, or stepping back first, you know, with stepping back, and going into the situation. Which seems to contradict the feedback I'm getting. In other words I'm getting a confusion on how this matter works, actually. Because it's not impuls-- if it's impulsive, or reactionary, I don't know how it would really be dignified, would really blind anger, rather than *being* anger. In other words, being the anger would be very pure, but why would this pure being anger have to be dignified? In other words the-- that even the dignified seems to be another point of reference again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think still it is because the idea of dignity is not so much of strategizing a plan, and executing accordingly. But the sense of togetherness, that you have your trip together, and you know how to handle it, and... You might have some unexpected-- you might have to deal with someone unexpectedly, without any preparation, but you still handle in dignified way. Which means that general sense of confident in the whole set-up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=2922.0,3055.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, there was a reason for the question. I never get a chance to really talk to you privately like [INAUDIBLE], I have to do it right now, so... Well, I had a really beautiful blowout, and it was really very pure anger, you know, it was just red, pure anger, and it was stepping back and forward all at the same time. And I ripped up some pictures, art pictures, which I didn't paint, which I really loved very much. And it was a very cold-hot feeling at the same time. And I didn't really-- and I wasn't involved in anything dignified at the time; it was too quick for that. Now, you told a very dear friend of mine that was a terrible thing to do. Now I'm very confused, I mean I'm trying to get now a reference point, [laughter], you know I mean really, what's happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And I didn't feel guilty which according to what was told to me, I was, you know, I was a barbarian. And you know, it didn't-- I really didn't dwell on the barbarian thing in which it just passed through me. I bet you here now [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --not what's happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the question is that, still you need a reference point at that anger.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: There was a reference point, in stepping back.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: That was the reference point. It seemed, precisely, the right action, in other words--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see the point is that when we talk about anger in the ati level, it transcends even idea of losing temper. It's so highly angry situation that you don't lose your temper--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: That's right, it was past temper. It was past temper. That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No doubt. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, I didn't have a temper. It was too cold and too high. It was very precisely done. Very wholesome [UNCLEAR: as a deed?]. I wasn't jumping around or [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose the problem is that I can't actually make a comment on it, because I haven't seen you do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well what is-- [laughter] What would be the framework of temper then? In other words what is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's not temper. You know, it's not question of actually anger, or losing temper at all. It's something entirely more profound, something entirely different point of view, of wrath.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Colors-- isn't it colors? Is it–\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. So?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: In other words there's-- everything is very-- has-- is seen through in colors, and textures, and temperatures.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, and then you begin to take part in the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: We are the colors, the temperatures, and the textures as [INAUDIBLE] Right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are, you are, rather than you are watching it. Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It's was very fierce, and colorful.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's not fierce.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I find it very fierce.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, you don't-- if you find it's fierce, then it's not fierce enough.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, the ripping felt very-- you know, the ripping sensation felt very ripping. [Laughter] That's what I'm trying to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. It seems that still, it's not fierce enough. [Laughter] Of the real angry enough.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, what would be angry enough then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is there's no reference point *at all*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Then nothing would be done.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, maybe so. Or maybe not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: In other words, does this anger that you're talking about have a physical manifestation, ever?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depends on the skillful means demand, or demanded by the situation. And it is possible that you don't have physical manifestation. Or it is possible you do have physical manifestation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, I'll leave it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=3055.0,3342.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Which yana does the last ox-herding picture correspond to?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It was... I think it's the ring, without picture.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Back into the world [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Back to the world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well the-- back to the world is returning from having given up all the yanas. Back to the world is becoming nirmanakaya again.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Doing what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nirmanakaya buddha, the buddha of-- on earth, manifestation of earth. I think maha ati is that of the just blank. The idea is being is that when you reach a certain stage, of complete space, no manifestation, and then you have to come back. Or you automatically find yourself coming back. The idea is being that this is not being self-enlightenment, but there is a force of compassion which brings you back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well, those being Zen pictures, I thought you said Zen didn't get into tantric yanas.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but there is-- there are those *ideas*. There's no tantric format such as-- in such notion of colorful world, and things like that, in visualizations. But there are those ideas. And you might find such ideas also in the Theravadin literature as well, of tantric type.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=3342.0,3472.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: This information is exciting in a lot of ways; it's tantalizing as you said the other day. And I feel strange because when I leave I'm torn whether or not I should speak of this. It seems like I'm not sure at all whether to ever to. At one time I was very interested in passing around books, and business, you know, and shaking a limb to it, saying, \"This is a great thing.\" And around you there's a kind of a hero sense, and that whole scene. And I feel like that doesn't solve-- that isn't such a hot idea, but I'm not sure. Do you-- I don't know what you would say to my question. Is that I don't know myself, I don't feel at all sure how to relate this kind of information. Or when people say, well, \"what is this all about?\", I-- all I can say is \"I haven't really any idea at all.\" [Laughter] But is it-- in your sense, do you-- is it your function-- do students-- are students drawn to you through your act, are you an actor bringing students to you? And therefore your-- all your students then are extensions of you bringing them to you, in that sense at all? Or do you encourage your students not to do that? In other words *not* to serve in that function? Or is that to be foolish?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's fundamental, it seems to be. Is that in the bodhisattva discipline, one of those says that it is a wrong action of a bodhisattva by teaching people who didn't want to hear about the teaching. So it's a waste of effort, and a waste of such energy; they might be interested later on, but if you present it at the wrong time they might be switch off completely.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I think that as far as that relating with me and my students are concerned, that they are highly encouraged to develop their *own* style, within the help of inspiration of the teaching. You know, rather than sort of become copycat, which has all kinds of disadvantages, and also brings a sense of frivolousness and neurosis of all kinds. That the ideas of a teacher is that not to make student a replica of the teacher; that they develop their own function. That's the precisely reason why the-- one should respect the five types of psychological style, physical style, how to handle themselves had developed. And they do exist, therefore they-- we should respect their style. And if the teacher is extremely ratna, that vajra person wouldn't be encouraged to reject his style and imitate that one -- develop their own thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nAs to relating with the things that people here are taking part in the seminar, I felt, and I believe, within reason, that I think people are actually serious; everybody here is serious actually. And much more so than in times-- I came here the previous times, early days, and there are a lot of spiritual materialism and shopping around. But maybe people here are also still shopping, but nevertheless they are doing it with honesty. So, I felt that if anybody would like to put their idea, or effort and energy for certain prolonged time, to take part in the seminar, so it would be safe to present the whole idea. 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And the maha ati is a creative kind of situation, in which there's no destruction is involved, or creation is involved. It's more like, somewhat you could say, that almost grownup's point of view of the world is maha ati's level. And shunyata level of bodhisattva is the children's imitation of the grownups, somewhat. I think quite safe to say that. [Laughs; Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065#t=3733.0,3815.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164319/file/299065/transcript/87923/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We might have to close our meeting this point. And it would be good if you could have a good discussion and things happening tomorrow, since it's going to be last time. And I hope to organize in such a way that we have a longer time for discussion after the talk tomorrow, so if you have any misunderstandings or doubts or things that you could talk it over and, relatively speaking, try and solve the problem. [Laughs] Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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