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Taking the samaya vow as creating a bond between oneself and the guru and lineage. The danger of the tantric path and importance of the central guru figure as guide. Necessity for real surrendering of body, speech, and mind. Vajrayana devotion is risky because of the possibility of enlightenment as well as extreme self-destruction. \u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Heart of the Buddha","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03","BOOK: Empowerment","SRCBOOK: 1999 Lineage and Devotion Sourcebook"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eExcerpts from all four talks in seminar are edited into one article, published in:\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA: Chapter 4: Devotion\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-heart-of-the-buddha-725.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA) -- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: EMPOWERMENT (Vajradhatu Publications, out-of-print)\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSRCBOOK: 1999 LINEAGE AND DEVOTION SOURCEBOOK (out-of-print)\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDec 12 2019 to Nov 18 2020 Transcribing: Julia McKaig Checking: Mary Beth Kean Final Proof: Matilda Perks Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMeaning of devotion in the vajrayana path. Taking the samaya vow as creating a bond between oneself and the guru and lineage. The danger of the tantric path and importance of the central guru figure as guide. Necessity for real surrendering of body, speech, and mind. Vajrayana devotion is risky because of the possibility of enlightenment as well as extreme self-destruction.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is Talk three of the True Meaning of Devotion seminar, given at Tail of the Tiger. August, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=0.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In continuation of what we have discussed yesterday, in connection with the mahayanist approach to devotion -- the sense of friendship, sense of spiritual friend. As we develop on the path tend to become much more demanding, much more energy consuming. The sense of friendship is -- so to speak, in the fundamental sense of devotion -- is simply a teaser, appetizer. That real true meaning of devotion exist in absolute level in the vajrayana tradition alone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Speak louder into the mic please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=19.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no mic here. [laughter] The real sense of devotion can only exist in the vajrayana level, tantric level, in absolute level. The other devotions, devotional approach to the object of devotion is highly based on some other fact or other. That is to say that, conditioned by your emergency situation at the beginning, and conditioned by your loneliness in the mahayana level. But in the vajrayana level, the relationship of teacher and student and relationship of devotion is a very dangerous one but extremely powerful one. Almost we could say, it is a magical one, up to a certain point. That we go through a second stage to the third stage; when the third stage of vajrayana's approach to devotion is developed that we have to do further surrendering process, further surrendering process, which demands tremendous lot of effort and energy -- further surrendering process. And that further surrendering process is exemplified in the preliminary practice of tantrayana by: 100,000 prostrations and 100,000 repetition of surrendering formula, refugee verses; and 100,000 repetition of mantras purifying oneself; and 100,000 process of offering body, speech, mind and whole universe to the guru.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=135.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time, we could say that we can't embark on-- immediately on that particular level of vajrayana's approach to surrendering process without going through the hinayana *and* mahayana. We find that surrendering rituals that we might go through become less valuable, that you didn't actually had to give anything, apart from gymnastic process of 100,000 prostrations, and other so-called gadgets that be presented to you. So unless person begins right from the beginning, that person is unable to receive a real transmission of-- into the vajrayana tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=277.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Having gone through as a human teacher, as emergency person who rescues us, and also having gone through the relating the person as a spiritual friend, gone through the very intensive communication process, and then when the vajrayana master begin to demand *further* surrendering, at the beginning person might feel that, \"I have done already my giving away, trusting and so forth. And I don't have anything to surrendering.\" But there's a *something* which need to be surrendered, which is the collection of pride and collection of pain that students have gone through. In other word, students would feel that student have-- they have owned-- they have earned enough money to be worthy of vajrayana teaching. And therefore they do not understand the real surrendering process that's taking place is important at all. To begin with, they have surrendered their ego; at the beginning when you are in bad shape, that you surrendered yourself to a physician in emergency room. And secondly, that you feel alone, lonely, you seek this companionship. That you feel that you have done anything that you wanted to do. You have achieved, you thought you have thrown everything on the-- over the board. And those convictions and pride that you be collected still becomes a hangup. Partly we surrendered, but partly we collected in the process of surrendering our credentials been collected. We feel that we've become respectable donor who donated certain chunk of body, speech, mind and energy, but still further need is *complete* humiliation, so to speak. A real surrendering is absolutely necessary to receive vajrayana teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=331.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the case of vajrayana teaching, that to begin with, there are all types of what's called \"samaya vows\". S-A-M-A-Y-A, samaya vows. And samaya vow is the bond that you establish to your teacher, and you establish to your teacher's lineage, and yourself. That, in order to create such a samaya bond, we cannot simply just do it. It's like you would like to get married and you run off, and you just get married in the registrar without parents' acknowledgment, or even having a good wedding festival. That purpose of marriage becomes fruitless because there was no big deal, you just wanted to glue yourselves together with somebody else. And whole thing's lost completely, the meaning and purpose lost completely. [laughs] So, samaya vow is the real marriage between you and your lineage, your teacher. Therefore there is a tremendous need for giving, opening, surrendering. Absolute surrend[er] is absolutely necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=522.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That surrendering process also involves very deathly consequence. That students drinks water of oath. As soon as person drinks this water of oath that water turns into elixir of life, \"amrita\" -- sustains student's conviction, remains in their heart. If there's any one little step of doubt and confusion and copping-out is involved, that water of elixir of life turns into melted iron which destroys you and carries you into the vaj-- what's called \"vajra hell\", which we could discuss [laughs] later on. [laughter] It's a very heavy commitment and extremely potent and powerful one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=628.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I personally feel that introducing vajrayana into a country who has no -- or the citizens of the country -- who has no idea of that taking such dangerous step is taking advantage of their weakness. That collecting inmates of hundreds of millions of vajra hell [laughter] is seem to be un-compassionate. Much as there's all kinds of gimmicks involved, excitement is involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=704.0,749.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are not particularly discussing tantra as such but we are preparing the ground for tantra. In order to prepare the tantric students and prepare for them as suitable tantric students, to begin with, all kinds of warnings involved. Such as like traditional story of Indian merchants going out into the ocean collecting pearl. The one big merchant has the yacht and he collected lot of passengers who are also businessmen and he has four anchors. And when he's about to sail to the ocean collecting pearls, that he cuts anchor a day, with warning, \"Are you sure you want to do this?\" And then nobody gets out of the boat, or somebody might get out of the boat. And then cuts second anchor, and third anchor, and fourth anchor, then we sail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=749.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in order to sail the boat of vajrayana into the ocean of America, we have to cut these anchors by successive warnings, constantly. That how much we are getting into is very dangerous thing. Of course, if you manage to get out into the ocean and collect these beautiful pearls, that would be a fantastic thing, extremely warrior-like situation. But supposing if we are not able to do that psychologically, financially, that we are not successful merchants, we're just latching on the big businessman who owns the boat. So, we need a lot of warnings, constant warnings, which is a much more compassionate thing to do than presenting the merchandise outright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=822.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So from that point of view, that guru from tantric view is regarded as absolutely important central figure of all teachings. That without a guru, that you cannot find the medicine. And relating with the guru from that point of view, you need tremendous lot of openness, surrendering, *real* surrendering. Not on the level of shopping, and you might surrend[er] because you want to gain certain merchandise from this particular merchant. A sense of *real* surrendering seem to be extremely important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=884.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, in this case, a real surrendering is surrendering the body. A sense of if you freak out at least you have something to relate to, which is your body. And you are surrendering your reference point; if you surrender your body to guru, you are surrendering your first reference point. That you have no idea of breakfast time, lunch time, dinner time, because you have no body. You have-- your body becomes possession of the lineage, not yours anymore. I'm not talking in this case is somebody who freaks out and lose sense consciousness; but psychologically, that your dear life is turned over to somebody else so you don't have your dear life to hold onto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=938.0,1012.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there's a second stage is speech, or the emotional level, is also been surrendered. That your emotional security is unnecessary, irrelevant, because that also turned over to the lineage, the teaching, the guru.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1012.0,1032.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And third thing is the mind, the registering mechanism that exist in our state of consciousness has been also surrendered. So you have no logical, intellectual game anymore. That everything's surrendered. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are becoming a zombie, jellyfish. You have the *intelligence* to surrend[er], and you can also make sure that you have surrendered. So there's some continual process, opposed to suicidal situation. There's some sense of intelligence which relates with your absence of body, absence of mind, absence of speech. There's some sense of absence-ness is involved. And that is-- in tantric tradition it's called \"spontaneously existing wisdom\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1032.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such a surrendering process, such demand that the tantric lineage might make on the student could be said is unlawful, outrageous, criminal. It *is* unlawful, it is criminal, it is outrageous. Depends on your relationship of crime is concerned, your reference point of crime. If crime consists of we are to maintain our ego, from ego's kingdom's point of view, then it is criminal. It is final and the ultimate way of uproot this *thing* that we have -- that thing that we're trying to hold on to. It's really absolutely terrible, deathly, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1100.0,1157.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such surrendering seem to be also opening process because you have still giver and receiver. The giver is person who surrendered, and receiver that's object of devotion. And also there is a further giver, which acknowledges how much you gave, at the same time; that your subtle intelligence, simultaneously born wisdom, spontaneously born wisdom is always there to watch what's happening fundamentally, basically. And, in fact, that relating with certain particular principles in tantric traditions, such as the four orders of tantric deities, and such as like the hundred deities of bardo -- forty-two peaceful deities, fifty-eight wrathful deities and so forth -- those are also part of the mandala of the guru, the master *himself*.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1157.0,1238.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, this point, we could say that worshipping the guru is irrelevant in some sense. But, on the other hand, if you worship the guru as a purely spiritual chauvinistic person that you have to surrender yourself into, is the wrong point of reference -- dharma chauvinistic person. There's no chauvinism involved. But what really involved is that the guru becomes a spokesman, ambassador, executor, policeman, donor with tremendous wealth that could give this [INAUDIBLE] to you, give it to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1238.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that guru's not particularly regarded as a magical person alone, who could trick you. But the guru is somewhat the mirage itself between heaven and earth in the desert. That guru is the brook or the lake. When you feel very thirst in the desert, you see a lake, brook, but there isn't brook or lake at all; it was just purely guru's creation which tantalizes further search, further walk into the desert. And I would like to make quite clear that let us not make whole thing as mysterious -- realistic, not make magical. It seems to be level of our own commitment seem to be extremely important. How much you're willing to give in to our hallucination and chaos, confusion, wanting, grasping. If you give more way for-- if you are able to let go of those fixations, rather than hanging onto it, then that much the guru becomes a spokesman, ambassador of the teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1316.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's story of Marpa; that Naropa had shown Marpa a mirage of mandala of Hevajra front of him. And Naropa's sitting next to it and asking Marpa that, \"To whom you would like to prostrate, pay respect, receive your knowledge?\" And Marpa thought that, \"This miracle is unusual. It is much more valuable, you can't get miracles all the time. Whereas my guru is always here; is earthly being. So, I decide to prostrate to the display.\" And that's apparently was the one of the reasons that his son had to be-- Marpa's son died out of accident, riding on a horse, is because he didn't have enough trust in human beings opposed to celestial beings. That's the symbol of Marpa's neurosis, which came out later on in his life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1453.0,1570.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, this particular guru that we are talking about is obviously not a Martian -- even ideally not Martian -- but a real human being who possesses powers of the entire universe. But at the same time this guru is very feeble, ordinary person who worn out by teaching, and you could beat him to death. Helpless little guy [laughter] sitting there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1570.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seem to be everything's up to us, how we relate with that. But one of the warnings is that it is extremely dangerous to even get into such practice of relating with devotional practice of vajrayana is extremely dangerous, self-destructive. But equally it is extremely profitable, because you can grasp enlightenment within your hand reach. It's right there. So, the devotion is how much we let go ourselves -- the sense of openness that involved within ourselves.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1619.0,1683.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, what's the difference between spontaneous-- this spontaneously existing wisdom that you mentioned and the old familiar \"watcher\"? I mean, the spontaneously existing wisdom that knows how much is being given and the watcher who's tallying up the scorecard?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think difference is that spontaneously existing wisdom has a sense of general perspective, rather than the sense of panic. And \"watcher\" constantly involves with a sense of panic and the counting on the amount of generosity move that you made, that much you have-- should get a reward.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: That's the watcher.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1683.0,1751.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Last night you said that real communication with a spiritual friend or a guru is-- involves at the same time communicating with oneself. I'm wondering if as we get into our illusions and mirages and so forth, if that process-- if those-- if that's the same process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. Yeah. It's a question of still how much you'll get into yourself. Even the vajrayana point of view it's very much so. But in the vajrayana sense of view, that there's more dangers involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1751.0,1825.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Zen doesn't seem to have any of the landmarks that the path you're describing has. Could you describe in any way the process by which it leads to the same realization as vajrayana does?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Zen tradition? That's very interesting point, actually. Rather complicated, if you don't mind, to explain the whole thing. We have to go into philosophy, Buddhist philosophy, talking about Zen, the differences in the vajrayana. That the Zen tradition is what's called the tradition of yogachara, which is a particular school of thought in Buddhism in the mahayana tradition, even before we get to madhyamaka, middle path. Yogacharans have a much closer link somewhat -- ideally -- to that of vajrayana, in the level of being everything's mind and everything's part of your buddha-mind. As Suzuki Roshi talks about it, the \"big mind\" and \"small mind\". And Zen awakened state of mind and its approach is artistic approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nYogacharan tradition is highly artistic. It is based on a level of concept of beauty which is quite different from that of tantrayana; a level of beauty, a level of precision, aesthetic appreciation of phenomenal world. That little toad sitting on your knee is Zen. Maybe a huge alligator sitting on your knee is vajrayana. [laughter; laughs] You see the differences in that appreciation? In the Zen tradition the moth circling the oil lamp is a work of art. In the vajrayana tradition, however, the moth jumping into oil lamp *itself* is a work of art. [laughter] It's two different scales. The yogacharan philosophy talks about: there's a self-existing luminosity, luminous mind that is referred as \"big mind\" by Suzuki Roshi is that which appreciate subtleties as work of art. So on the other hand we could say that Zen tradition has some sense of faint \"watcher\". That sitting on the black zafu and doing your thing properly, thoroughly, fully, that even the work of art of not moving out of your zafu is approach to enlightenment. True! [laughs] But on the other hand that art in itself is a hollow bamboo from the vajrayanist's point of view -- even the madhyamaka's point of view it's empty.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, who's artist? As Nagarjuna would say: \"Who isn't artist? Who is an artist? What's point of-- what's the point of painting picture at all? If you're true artist, why don't you paint picture at all -- why don't you *not* paint picture at all?\" It's very drastically revolutionary. But there is subtle differences between the Zen tradition -- even the idea of what's called \"shikantaza\" practice that developed in Zen tradition of no practice, no technique, just sit, is highly based on perfecting the work of art: of doing nothing is a very artistic thing to do. Rather than the image of that like you find in Songs of Saraha that translated by Guenther, THE ROYAL SONGS OF SARAHA. And some of Naropa's songs, Marpa's songs, which talks about that \"No point in involving any spiritual trips are useless, are different.\" And Saraha and Naropa are talking about artistic level-- not at all artistic level, but a sense of just purely functional and the moth jumps into oil lamp -- that *is* art -- rather than circling around it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=1825.0,2181.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, does-- did the madhyamaka school-- was that-- did that grow into or influence more strongly the tantrayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's the bridge. That from madhyamaka there are several schools of madhyamaka beliefs. That--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Prasangika\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Is that the one that grew into tantrayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Prasangika and there is one particular school called \"madhyamaka in the yogachara\", is the final bridge to vajrayana which Guenther writes in... what's his book?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: BUDDHIST PHILOSOPHY IN THEORY AND PRACTICE.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: BUDDHIST PHILOSOPHY IN THEORY AND PRACTICE, yeah. And you find them if you care to read them. It's actually very interesting to get into that subtle framework of reference of mind, which is very, extremely sophisticated. And particularly Guenther tried to do very good job by employing extremely complicated language, which is a very faithful thing. Only thing that you can do is that you can try to manufacture further languages of, after language after language, to make some kind of bridge. It's like construction company does; concrete after concrete blocks. You might get across to border, which is absolute necessary, otherwise there doesn't seem to be any other way as far as of intellectual point of view is concerned.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut the vajrayana's approach to sense of individuality comes from the madhyamaka's point of view of sense of nonexistence. Nonexistence becomes finally, ultimately real existence. Because there's nothing to exist, therefore it is a huge, gigantic existence which then turned into herukas or dakinis, all kinds of mandalas, spectrum of all kinds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=2181.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Rinpoche, you mentioned 100,000 prostrations as an example of devotional practice on that level. Does that level however, is it accessible without those practices? Is it also a way of meditation in action or accessible through a way of living one's life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is possible, but still you have to do something very drastic, because getting into tantrayana is a very drastic to do in any case. And you do need those token gestures. But that doesn't mean to say that that's the only way. But there is 100,000 practice prostrations and cooking sunny-side-up, equally. [laughter] That goes side by side [laughter], obviously. Otherwise, who is going to pay the rent? [laughter] You can't do 100,000 prostrations, either, if no-- if you don't have rent to pay. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=2318.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: So Rinpoche, there's no-- between the great wealth of practices and visualizations and so on that exist in the vajrayana, there's no *necessary* or *automatic* connection between individual-- between one's practice and stages one goes through on the path, necessarily? It seems to work out that way though.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Between like the-- all the practices -- complicated exotic practices of the vajrayana and your development on the path -- I mean, is there a-- what is the connection? I mean, is it-- generally it's, you know, when one reads about it, at least...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, that's the whole point what we're talking about. That's theme of this seminar. What's the connection? Can you guess?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: The guru?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, [laughter] obviously. That guru is the only moderator between the world of insanity, world of sanity. The only moderator... with a stopwatch. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE MEMBER: With no hands. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well said. [laughter] Yeah, that's, I mean, otherwise if you're thrown into complicated practices without a personal relationship with anything, that you are uncertain as to whether you are going or coming. And you could be freaking out constantly by prostrating. Is that could be example of your neurosis by prostrating. Or you could be doing nothing, working in a supermarket or something. But the guru is the moderator. That's why guru is the-- one of the most *important* thing of all, is the real *sane* moderator who actually can tell beyond your own speedometer in your little car. There's a cosmic speedometer who keeps track of whether your speedometer is wrong or right.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You were just stressing, you know, the importance of, like this-- the sanity and... of the guru. But like when you were mentioning Marpa, for example, and his neurosis, is he capable of passing on the-- this particular role of perfect sanity, being neurotic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He did apparently. [laughter] You know, he did.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well, is there a way-- then does that-- I mean you know, I could see that people or disciples, let's say of course Milarepa, you know related to Marpa as all-perfect and all-knowing of all--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily at the time, because your condition, your own desire. That Milarepa wants to get into initiation circles or get instructions immediately, which he didn't. And each time when Milarepa build these castles and he occasionally said \"maybe I was drunk\" and \"I didn't give you this order and any case take it out, take it apart and rebuild the whole thing\". But those are Milarepa's own confusion. And as far as Milarepa is concerned, if he's a very smart guy, like a modern day twentieth century person he could say \"Marpa is destroying himself by treating these people neurotically, and he's destroying all the teaching that he'd received from India. He's destroying himself and his students.\" But somewhat rather then Milarepa is stuck with him, very unusually. That's why he become unusual person who become a monumental person in Tibetan Buddhism. That he still stuck with him and he had finally learned something out of it. And finally, far from being destroyed of himself as being ego tripping, but Marpa becomes a real father, and a real, warm person but also extremely critical person at the same time. So that's very interesting analogy.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In relating then to the guru, and a lot of times in these, you know, books, especially, you know, it gets into flowery language, it seems that it's not quite relating it, you know, to the human being. And the human being seems to, you know, always have these certain, as you pointed out, you know, he's just a feeble guy sitting there. You could beat him up and he could fall down and get hurt and that kind of thing. And to receive the perfect, you know, what you consider the perfect teachings, does that require that you relate to the guru as in this perfect kind of idealistic sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, you don't relate with the guru perfect idealistic sense, but you relate with *yourself*, to begin with. That your approach is a workable approach. That you're working with yourself, and the guru purely act as a spokesman. Rather than somebody's perfect out there saving you. That's becomes like the Christian tradition of Christ being savior of the whole world -- including crucifixion and everything is trying to save *you*. I mean not regarding there is political problems between Jews and Romans and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=2396.0,2817.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Are you saying that the guru then is-- or is-- it has to be someone outside of yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, guru is your own reflection of yourself. Seemingly extra outside person.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But you need that reflection outside yourself, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you do.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: That actual object--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Actual object, which is unpredictable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Could it be anybody? Could I be a guru to someone just as much as someone else could be guru to me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Apparently not. That's the whole point, apparently not. That guru has to have proper credentials, [laughter] of belonging to certain particular lineage.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: There are an awful lot of people then without gurus. Are they going to-- does that mean that they're not going to make it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. That makes whole thing's very valuable. Rather than people are without gurus and if they're ready, there will be a real guru for them, personally. We don't have to particular worry about saving whole United States of America at once. [laughter] Or Canada [laughs], for that matter. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=2817.0,2908.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, I have a question about the idea which is an idea of surrendering. And it's something I really have-- I can understand as a word but can't understand as a practice or as an event, or as anything for myself. And it's something you speak of constantly, but it's not something that has any reality in event. I mean, if someone points a gun in your back and says, \"surrender your jewels\", [laughter] I can understand that. But it doesn't usually happen that way. So in--[laughter] the effect of surrendering oneself to the teaching or to the guru, I wonder if you could comment on that further.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think that surrendering yourself to the-- to begin with, you surrender yourself to the teachings to begin with. Which is that you are surrend[er] to yourself; that after all you are not a bad person. And you are willing to face your ego, neurosis, and everything. And then guru is a spokesman of their particular teachings. So I think this goes side by side. But predominantly that you have to work hard, extremely hard, to be worthy of such teachings and such teacher. Good luck. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=2908.0,3015.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: When you were talking about the-- in the-- in an advanced, perhaps, initiation ritual when you give the person water and that's supposed to form magic, you get him to-- or he himself surrenders himself completely. But if he has doubt, that the water turns to molten iron and he can be destroyed by it. Now, this is... I don't know whether you do it in this-- do you do this in now in your kind of initiation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Do you use this initiation ritual at a state in your--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do I use in my...? Are you asking that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Is this being used now, yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It can be used anytime.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Ah, It seems to me that, I mean this is a-- [laughter] this is a form of hypnotism. It seems to me that you should be willing to sacrifice yourself out of love, and to-- and there are many different orders in the world that, for instance Zen, and other forms of other orders which don't need such a strict surrendering, where there's no exit. And why would-- it just seems, for instance, I don't know, in Tibet for instance, there were many children who were given over to the monasteries when-- and were from child-- from children they were sacrif-- they were given over and they grew up--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sacrificed? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Didn't you say you were one? [laughter] I didn't hear. I get very nervous when I ask questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see the point it seem to be is that you are put in the such situation, and you are presented with such situation. And whenever you can function your own state of consciousness properly. And I'm not suggesting that this could be done by blackmailing person -- either your brain or your signature. [laughter; murmuring] But it's done a very conscious level. That if you can surrender yourself and willing to accept this potion of sustenance of your sanity, you take it. If you don't keep up with the samaya vow then you could be destroyed. I think that's-- that's just-- that's the after-effect, after the spiritual friend has dealt with you. That spiritual friend has taken different forms this point. And the spiritual friend is also giving you the water at the same time. So in other word, you can't do this just as infant level. But you have to do it as-- you come to spiritual friend at the beginning as a sick patient needs emergency treatment. And then you recover from that. Then you regard that as a friend. Then you finally regard that as somebody who is training you as a novice samurai. It takes process. That's what I mean, is that person can't go through a process one at the time but had to go through the gradual process in any case.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So you're still in a state of knowledge so that you are perfectly aware of where you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely. Otherwise taking weakness of the person, or blackmailing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Right, that's [UNCLEAR: what I was?]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Good question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=3015.0,3272.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Rinpoche, regarding the stages of the hinayana and the mahayana, it must be a practice before one is ready for the vajrayana. I'd be interested in some elaboration with regard to, for instance, devotion to a bodhisattva. And also in terms of avoiding hang-ups along the way through the hinayana and mahayana, even of the building up of these credentials that must be dropped and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm interested in what-- is it a mini-course in hinayana and mahayana on the way to the vajrayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely, absolutely not. It's a *major* course. And to begin with one should have developed real, good understanding of hinayana, absolutely necessary, extensive. If you don't understand the pain and the origin of pain, that you don't understand the rest of the Buddhism *at all*. So you have to have a real good understanding to begin with. Then after that, is bodhisattva path of openness, compassion, and the challenge that you-- comes to you and you have to respond to it as \"selfless action\" so to speak, which seem to be extremely important. And the vajrayana comes later, much later.\r\n\r\n\r\nThat, in other word, if you want to build house, we should spend more time building the foundation and sewage systems, digging a well, discuss-- studying the water system of the particular locality. And after that we can just barely put up the first floor, which is a design for the second floor, or third floor. So whole thing had to be really absolutely methodical, absolutely methodical. And you can't jump at all. If you jump, that you find yourself elaborate roof without a foundation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Does this require also a good deal then of book-learning as well as meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As well as meditation practice, yes, I would say. That's the traditionally great teachers in the past have done so. Intellect and emotional studies have been done together. That's the \"upaya\" and \"prajna\", \"skillful means\" and \"wisdom\" goes together, knowledge goes together, side by side.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: So that's the work that you were talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=3272.0,3451.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Are you saying at the early stages then that meditation is the skillful means and the knowledge, book knowledge?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Other way around.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: How is book learning skillful means?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Book learning is skillful means, yeah. It's to relate with the interactions with your life; how the logic of life functions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: You feel like to tie in sitting practice [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that how come we didn't cook good sunny-side-up? [laughter] So forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=3451.0,3504.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I have-- I'm confu-- I have a feeling of confusion between the sense of the guru and a watcher-- and the watcher.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's understandable. [laughter] I think difference between the watcher and the guru is the guru is spontaneous reflection and watcher is based on the guilt conflict. Make it very simple so that we cannot confuse you again. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=3504.0,3548.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66028/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We should end our meeting tonight here. And our seminar seem to gone through so fast. And almost it is over. And the last-- [laughs] same time seem to be tomorrow. And we should try to get something together. Maybe tomorrow that we could play replay of tonight's talk for you sometime, just to refresh your memories. And we have a final talk tomorrow, around about two o'clock-ish. [laughter] Narayana [later known as the Vajra Regent Osel Tendzin] is going to give bottomless speech. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049#t=3548.0,3606.28245"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66029","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730812VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127100/file/239049/transcript/66029/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE:\nThis is Talk three of the True\nMeaning of Devotion 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