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Hunger and thirst, waiting and expectations, wanting. Learning, wanting to know, exemplifies hungry ghost realm; ambition and grasping of learning as obstacle to wisdom. Intense seriousness of striving gives way to seeing humor of situation, which creates essential contrast. Sense of humor associated with living in contrast with solemness and rigidity of hungry ghost. In bardo experience, the object of desire becomes an obsession, more than hunger. Going along with meditation techniques of breathing and walking as automatic way of stepping out of “watcher” state of mind."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Transcending Madness","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: TRANSCENDING MADNESS: Part One, Chapter 7: The Bardo of Existence\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/transcending-madness-1570.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TRANSCENDING MADNESS)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Sep 11 2021 to Sep 14 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The bardo of existence, associated with the hungry ghost realm. Hunger and thirst, waiting and expectations, wanting. Learning, wanting to know, exemplifies hungry ghost realm; ambition and grasping of learning as obstacle to wisdom. Intense seriousness of striving gives way to seeing humor of situation, which creates essential contrast. Sense of humor associated with living in contrast with solemness and rigidity of hungry ghost. In bardo experience, the object of desire becomes an obsession, more than hunger. Going along with meditation techniques of breathing and walking as automatic way of stepping out of “watcher” state of mind."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/256/020/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1730820287","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1730820271_19710722VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTICustRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":4324.15346,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/256/020/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1730820287","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/256/020/original/1730820271_19710722VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTICustRmstr-Access.mp3?1730820273","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4324.15346,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710722VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710722VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Allenspark - The Six States Of Bardo Experience - Talk 7] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Six States of Bardo, held in Allenspark, Colorado, in July 1971. This will be talk number seven, Bardo Experience in the Hungry Ghost Realm, July 22nd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=0.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hunger, and thirst, and trying to get alternative to it, is the realm where we are today. [Laughs] It's always interesting that subject we are working on and studying together have relevance with everyday's change of temperament. In some way it becomes always apparent and mood changes all the time. It seem to be quite curious coincidence. But hunger and thirst also could be said waiting, and waiting is also expectation as well. So there's constant demand of something, constantly being busy at something, constantly wanting to learn and constantly wanting to know, wanting to \"get it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=18.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So subject that connected with the hungry ghost is that of the disease of the learners, or hang-ups of the learners. There's so much ambition, hunger, to learn something, to know something, which is connected with also expectation as well. And that in itself, ambition of learning, is the obstacle of learning. Because you might say that \"shouldn't we have ambition, shouldn't we be conscientious, and shouldn't we drive ourselves to knowledge? Shouldn't we work hard on our homework? Shouldn't we read hundreds of books? Shouldn't we become successful? Not only being good students, but be famous teacher?\" And that kind of chain reaction of building up status, building up collection of knowledge -- it may be necessary if you want to learn. In other word, it may be necessary if you know that learning is pure technical thing alone, that there is no reference of knowing at all. You can learn without knowing, and you could become teacher being learned, but it is not possible to become wise by becoming good student. This ambition that we put out, the hunger for knowledge, every word is being questioned, sucked in, by pure desire, pure magnetizing state of mind, in order to gain health, ambition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=110.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I suppose what we are saying is that there is differences between that kind of hunger and grasping to the actual communication to the subject that you're going to learn, actual relationship to the subject that you're going to learn. It is like differences between purely reading the menu or you decide to eat. If you have a clear idea what kind of food you want to eat, you don't have to read the menu, you immediately order it. But in fact we seem to spend so much time reading the menu, all the time. Well all sorts of temptations of possible dishes. \"Shall we order that or that, this or that? That sounds good as well. I never taste this, but it sounds foreign, it sounds good, exotic. Shall we have a drink before we order? [Laughter] Shall we have wine with meal? What shall we do?\" [Laughter] So much scene is created around just purely reading the menu. \"Before you read the menu should we have something special,\" so we be inspired to read the menu. Appetizer. Cookies and nuts. [Laughter; laughs] And also because the secret of criteria that we put on ordering this food, reading menu, is a very embarrassing one, which we don't want to share with anybody, it's purely restrict to me -- if you invite your guests, particularly. How much it costs, [laughter] which you don't talk about, we just purely talk about what be nice thing to eat, tasteful, in public with friends. But in actual fact how much it going to cost? And if you are very efficient person you will work out altogether how much total price, how much-- how many people going to eat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=253.0,429.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a whole culture based around this eating process and drinking process, whole independent culture, another kind of civilization, almost, you could say. As far as your experience in that particular restaurant is concerned, that whole world is eating there. [Laughter] It's another world. Everybody's complaining, everybody's ordering, everybody's eating, everybody's drinking, everybody's paying, and more people coming, more and more. Everybody's being served. It's a world of hungry ghost. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=429.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we simplify, we eat because we are hungry, we drink because we are thirst, but somehow that primeval motive is not relevant anymore. We don't eat because we are hungry but we eat because we want taste, because the whole idea of going to restaurant and eating is different for a change from home cooking -- way of relaxing, in many cases. It's kind of choosing from one highlight to another highlight, constant change is happening all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=482.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interesting thing about hungry ghost concept, in the-- according to the scriptures, that it says there are several types of craziness involved. The first stage is that you dream of food, that how delicious it will be to have, and there is irresistable driving force to have chocolate ice cream, or whatever it may be. And you have this whole image of chocolate ice cream in your mind, and in fact you reach in meditative state of chocolate ice cream, [laughter] and you see it in your visual-- in your vision, hallucination. That whole world has become that shape. And you begin to see there is gigantic chocolate ice cream waiting for you, and you go towards it. When you get near it, it begins to become just pile of rock or dry tree. That's another kind of hallucination. And another type of hallucination is that you have certain idea of food in your mind -- again visual, or the hallucination or visionary quality of food -- you have in the mind a strong driving force to work for it and eat it. And the driving force goes on and on. In the distant you see food be served, and you go there, and suddenly the hostess or waitress or waiters become guardians of the food. They have swords, armors, sticks to ward you off, rather than being served. But food is still could be seen there in the middle of those scene. That's another type of hallucination of hungry ghost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=531.0,674.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there is another type. That you actually see food and maybe you have a tremendous desire to eat, and your desire to eat become very active and aggressive, and you have fight with these guardians, and you knock them out. Then you rush to the food, you pick up and you eat. And minute you swallow them, eat them, they turn into flames in your stomach, begin to burn you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=674.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So these are the analogies of different degrees of hungry, hunger. That grasping quality could take different shapes. It could take the shape of some kind of communication to food or object of desire, whatever is may be, but could be distorted one once you see it as it is. Or it could be seen as succession of situation that you have to go through, like person who eats and then become to become flame in your stomach. This particular type of hunger and thirst is the general feel of hungry ghost level, but something more than that in terms of bardo experience. That this particular type of bardo experience is called \"sidpa bardo\", \"bardo of existence\", \"bardo of creation.\" That you actually manufacture complete new experience, another type of experience, complete new one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=709.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this particular kind of experience of sidpa bardo, bardo of existence, is the threshold between grasping with hunger and experience of-- what you call, experience of letting go, so to speak, or experience of not quite letting go but experience of giving up, in other word. Giving up the hope. So, giving up hope doesn't mean just naive declining, or just purely out of frustration that you can't bear any more. But absence of hope this case is the able to see the humorous situation of the moment, develop height of sense of humor. That your striving and grasping is being too serious and too concentrated. So, person can't have humor, sense of humor generally, unless they are extremely serious. On the height of seriousness then burst into laughter. It's too funny to be serious, because there is some tendency of seeing the contrast of it. In other word, humor cannot happen or at least exist without contrast, without two situations playing and seeing the humorous quality of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=781.0,895.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what's lacking in the hungry ghost level is the humor. That honest search, seriously searching, grasping. This could be said as seriously searching spiritually or materialistically, anything -- seriously making money or seriously meditating with such solemn face. It is could be said of that of like perching, as though you are just about to give birth of egg, chicken. [Laughs; laughter] In my personal experience you see this with babies. And when you begin to see the serious face on baby, you have to make sure that there's a diaper. [Laughter; laughs] When we want something usually we perch, very seriously. [Laughs] It's complete humorless, [laughter] because wanting is also wanting to give birth of something. You trying to pass through, or manufacture it, then grasping it, possessing it, eating it, chewing it, swallowing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=895.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The asura-- no I mean \"preta\" or the world of \"hungry ghost\" is seriousness of wanting to grasp something, which is heightened by bardo experience of actually you are not hungry anymore. You see that's the differences between bardo experience of hungry ghost and ordinary hungry ghost experience, is ordinary hungry ghost experience you are hungry. In the bardo experience of absolute intensity of hunger, that you are not hungry anymore, because the vision of the thing what you want to have is so much in your mind you reach a certain kind of obsession. In fact you are so overwhelmed by the desire of wanting something, you forget that you are hungry, that you're starving. But you are become more of the presence-- so you begin to become more one with the presence of that thing you want. That's where the seriousness begin to be involved. That's where the the perching begin to develop. At that point it is possible to develop sense of humor and able to see that you are actually perching, and begin to see the ironic aspect of it. And then there's no hunger, there's no hallucination or desire anymore, that's the beyond-the-bardo experience, when you get through it. But once you are in it, then still the seriousness involves continuously goes on. That's the hungry ghost level experience or bardo experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=996.0,1098.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So fundamentally it's the relationship between self-conscious ego of \"myself\" and \"me\", and that ego want to be-- want to have certain particular thing of \"my idea\", want to be fulfilled. And the frustration comes from danger of not being able to be fulfilled completely, properly.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could stop there. We could have discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1098.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, [UNCLEAR: Henry?]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: When Gautama Buddha sat beneath the bodhi tree-- when the Buddha sat beneath the bodhi tree, and he vowed that he would, you know, until he attained enlightenment, [INAUDIBLE] even if his bones crumbled and turned into dust--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Even if what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] hungry ghost situation? That was-- that seems like hopeless seriousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well… exactly, yes, yes. You see once you reach certain higher spiritual level of enlightenment, higher that your state, or more advanced your state of development, are therefore that much temptations also become very sophisticated temptations, as you become more sophisticated. This goes on and on. That's exactly the point where the hosts of mara begin to attack him. I would say that's most advanced level of hungry ghost in a sense, in our own personal experiences, in terms of our own personal experiences. And that's why the maras have to come and temptations of mara is necessary. That's exactly what is needed to provide contrast between awake and confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1126.0,1223.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Would you explain \"poaching\" in more detail?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Poaching.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Perching, perching.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Perching! Okay, I heard \"poaching.\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1223.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, what do you mean that's where danger lies, in being unsatisfied?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In being?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Unsatisfied. You said that's where the danger was.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of being unsatisfied?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose the possibilities of continuing in the state of confusion. Do you mean that? And then, not able to make relationship with the present experiences. Well danger is in this case sort of possibilities of being extreme self-creative, opposed to self-destructive, which is destruction of ego, but extreme self-creative, of learn how to play game of ego and how to get all sorts of luxurious way of feeding and comforting the ego, fattening process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1236.0,1302.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Would you say something about energy used up in this hunger? You know, looking at the menu, and looking at the waitresses, and looking at how much it's going to cost, and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How much what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: How much it's going to cost and whether your friend is ordering something better than you are, and things like that, instead of what you're getting. And all of this thing that you've been explaining is enough to put a person to bed for a couple of hours, because he's worn out of energy. What is it that you do to not use up this energy if you're with your friends?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Not to use up all this energy that it takes to do what you've been explaining about the restaurants and food? How can you be there and not be using your energy up, and [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there again, I mean, it's in a sense complete humorless situation, without sense of humor, that everything is regarded as extreme case.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: It doesn't seem very funny to be there and to be worrying about [laughing] all these various things.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it would be funny if you realize what's happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: It's kind of funny [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Looking back on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1302.0,1402.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is the hostess of mara-- you said it was necessary to provide a contrast between the awakened state and confusion, and is that because they bring up the confusion more, to its peak?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You said that the hostess of mara is necessary to[INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Provide contrast.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Provide contrast.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah, I wondered if it's because the hostess of mara brings the confusion up to its peak?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, yeah. Very sophisticated confusion, purely matching to the possible awake state that you're going to attain. It's kind of equal. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So one should not-- maybe not strive to develop that completely, but just accept it and don't try to call it awake.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well once you accept it, then it becomes the force of compassion, like in the stories of Buddha, that each arrow is shot at him turned into flowers. I mean there wouldn't be flowers unless they shot arrow. So whole thing becomes a creative process, the rain of flower. Each aggression becomes loving, loving-kindness, compassion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: That's the thing is that once you get into confusion, it gets to feel overcrowding or something, you know, sometimes. And it's like your temptation is to move away from the confusion because you feel like you don't want it?.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well that's the general temptation, but then what happens is that temptation follows you all the way. When you try to run away, when you run-- trying to run faster, the temptation comes faster to you as well all the time, unless you decided not to run. You're providing more feedback to temptation when you decide to try to get away, unless you're being-- willing to make relationship with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1402.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Could you say something about how this relates to pain of just sitting in meditation? There seems to be two situations. There seems to be a possibility of accepting the pain, having it be just simply part of the-- part of what is. But most of the time a teeth-gritting type thing where, \"When are they going to ring the damn bell?\" And hoping that the other might-- something might drop, and the other might appear. How can that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's again the same thing, that there is a certain tendency of translating all the pain and discomfort, mental discomfort, into physical discomfort, and you imagine that stepping-- getting out and walking is the way of solving the pain, psychological pain, which has been translated into physical pain. That's kind of confusion, again. And if person is able to relate himself with this kind of irritation and pain, sitting is nothing more than purely that he is looking for another change of situation from psychological level. Then, of course, pain just becomes irrelevant in that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I was a bit lost on that. What can that state of being-- of gritting, what can let go of that, in the right way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean again that if you are able to see that you are perching.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Yeah, that's what I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, if you are able to see it, [laughs] and then the whole attention that built up become different and it wouldn't be there anymore. I mean it needs humor, sense of humor, at the time, all the time. You see, sense of humor associated with the living, alive situation, and without having sense of humor, the solemnness associated with death, dead body. I mean it's completely rigid, cold, and serious, honest, but you can't move, you know. That's the sort of two distinctions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1518.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] Jesus saying about the lilies of the field?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of what? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: On what Jesus said about the lilies of the field. He said, \"Be not anxious, say what shall we eat, what shall we drink? Consider the lilies of the field, they toil not, neither do they spin. But I say unto you that Solomon in all his glory was not attired as these.\" And-- \"as one of these.\" And could you comment on this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems self-evident, [laughter] self-explanatory. It's the same as the Zen saying of \"when I eat, I eat, when I sleep, I sleep.\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1680.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can you talk about the feeling of perching a little more? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm afraid-- I have this feeling it's going to become another kind of jargon.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: That's why [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm afraid this might become another jargon, \"perching.\" But, so what? [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1752.0,1793.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: You said that the temptations of-- talked about temptations of mara, that as we go along and become more and more subtle. Could you relate the meditative absorption that you talked about in the world of the gods to this kind of temptation, that if in our meditation we have blissful experiences, is that-- what's the difference between if it's meditative absorption in the like the god world and temptation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's good one, yeah. You see, the point is that-- it's interesting point, that in the world of the gods and complete absorption, meditative absorption, there wouldn't be temptation, because nobody wants, demand your attention. And you're paying full demand-- full attent-- you're paying full attention all the time to ego. So the maras be satisfied that time. It doesn't have to try to shake you back, bring you back to samsara -- you already in samsara and you are grooving it. And it seems this temptation can only occurred if you're trying to get away from centralized ego. And that is also could be said of perching as well as to the previous question, of perching is self-conscious notion of not knowing how to relate with the situations, or trying to work some strategy of how to work with situations, and that moment of contemplating on strategy is the perching, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1793.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Then when you are in the blissful state, you are also perching. I mean you're also--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you are perching as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: No, I didn't mean perching, I meant you are hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hungry ghost as well, yeah. Yes, that's-- that is quite so. Because you want to get more and more continuously fed back-- you know, feedback, all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: So you are never in... there's no situation that you are in the world of the devas, the world of the gods, because when you are in the world of the gods you are also hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As well, yes. But it's less kind of dramatic because when you're in the world of gods that there is… whole situation is more relaxed and self-satisfactory.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Yes, but you somehow, unconsciously sort of, you want to remain in it or you want to go back to it, or if you fall down to the world of the asuras you somehow...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: --want to go back to it, you know, hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Yes, well you see you could say that all the six realms consist of hungry ghost quality of one or the other. Because all the six world consist of grasping and hanging on to it, that quality is always there. But when we talk about hungry ghost as independent thing, it's more obvious, more vivid.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: It's connected with [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Extreme-- yeah, extreme hunger, extreme solidness, or seriousness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1896.0,1998.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: In Buddha's temptation, could you explain his saying \"go away,\" to rejecting temptation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Go away?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: He said to the temptations, \"Go away,\" and in a sense rejecting the beautiful girls and the food offered him and the monsters, he said, \"Go away.\" [Laughter] Is there a place in our meditation for saying \"go away\" or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I don't think so, because you are not that state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=1998.0,2035.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Are all the bardo states ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bardo state *is* ego, definitely, yes. It's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: All--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All of them. It's heightened qualities of different types of ego and possibilities of getting off the ego, that's where the bardo starts. The peak experience. Possibilities of losing grip of bardo, grip of ego, and possibilities of swallowed in, that kind of confusion between freedom and escape, freedom and imprisonment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And in each bardo state there's a possibility of escape, from each one?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. It is been described in scriptures, the analogy has been used, Buddha says that certain types of-- certain times that the bodhisattva's actions are like you are about to step out of room and one leg is outside door, one leg is inside door. And the bodhisattvas wonders whether we should-- he should step back or he should go-- proceed, is that kind of analogy of bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I thought that-- oh, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2035.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Can you get hung up on the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just a minute.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --bardo state? You know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --like-- can you get hung up, like instead of passing through the bardo experience, just hung up there? And just stay there, like in the realm of the hungry ghost [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, you can, you can. That's the very interesting point in this case is the level of madness is hung up on it. Yeah, exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: What do you do then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there's nothing that you can do, in terms of changing situations of the moment. But only way to relate is trying to relate with the actual experience of pain and pleasure in terms of earthly, earthy situation. I mean that's the only way of getting out of madness. Madness is extreme spacing without solidness in relationship to earth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2124.0,2209.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Did I understand you to say that when you're in the world of the gods that you have your ego in it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You have what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: You have your ego, in the world of gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Oh, that's very disappointing. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I know! [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2209.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But then one should not attempt to sit-- I mean to meditate more. One should-- if one is more and more in state of meditation, then one should try not to be, because then one is hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, you see that's exactly, precisely.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: That is so?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: One should not try-- one should try not to be in the state of meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly. You see that's the point of meditation in action. That there is certain level meditative state is becoming too static, and then important point is the bodhisattva's action.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: No, but if it's an action, if the meditative state is an action and it's continually an action. And then you should try to act without being in a meditative state because even in action, it's-- you want to be in a meditative state even if-- and so it is still hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, the point of action this case is just you-- it doesn't mean to say you have to try to maintain meditative state and act simultaneously, as though trying to manage two at the same time. But action is you truly act, you act properly, like the saying of \"when you eat-- when I eat, I eat, when I sleep, I sleep\" -- acting properly, thoroughly, completely. That is stepping out of dwelling on something. You see meditation in this pejorative sense is dwelling on something. I mean action demands attention, and you go along with that particular-- you pay attention to situations, and working skillfully with the situations without reference back to oneself -- how we should act, how we shouldn't act, but just acting it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2227.0,2345.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: How does patience come into all of this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well patience is, again, not expecting immediate pain of-- immediate answer if you experience pain, not trying to change pain into pleasure, and this kind of willingness to submit yourself to the situation, willing to wait. In other word, willing to see properly and clearly. When we completely wrapped up in situations, without patience, that we become blind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2345.0,2386.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You said in the beginning that consciousness is the last development of the ego, and if eventually we wish to give up our ego, does that mean that we will lose our consciousness? Should we think of that as a way to do that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, consciousness this case means something quite different than the ordinary sense of conscious of being aware of what's going on. This type of consciousness, in terms of last development of ego, is centralized consciousness, always relating back and forward. It's more of, not consciousness of the what's going on, but consciousness whether you are maintaining your ego or not, that kind of consciousness, which is quite different. In fact you can't gain complete consciousness until you step out of ego. Then the consciousness begin to become the play or the \"dance\", \"lalitha\", where you actually dance with rhythm of situations; it's the sort of transcendental consciousness which is quite different. The other one is one mind-- one-track mind consciousness in terms of ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: How do you step out of your ego?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2386.0,2478.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Why is your ego involved in the world of the gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Why is your ego involved in the world of gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because... you see world of god is, generally, another state of… in a sense, sophisticated state of ego, because you experience pleasure all the time. Once you experience pleasure, then you want to retain your pleasure. You always want to refer back to yourself. That is ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2478.0,2526.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Could resting have anything to do with true meditation as opposed to the pejorative kind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Resting.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Resting, somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, again, it depends. Whether just resting of being rest, all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Being at rest.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Being rest. Sort of being in the state of rest, or resting for something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: No, no, being in the state of rest as opposed to doing something. In other words like you said that the pejorative kind of meditation was dwelling on something. I'm saying could the opposite kind, could the true meditation, be-- just being at rest?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Could be rest, yes. I mean there again rest without any relativity, just being is rest, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2526.0,2574.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Is the action of sitting meditation, what in terms of breathing and heart beating and sitting, or is it mental? You said the other day to forget the body [laughter] and then you-- you know and deal directly with mind, and-- but then you said that the... just now, earlier, you said that it has to be meditation in action. So I wonder what is the principle expression of the action in sitting meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it... well it's a general comprehension of relationship with earth, rather than earth is being regarded as separate from you, as though your opponent, which is involving of the body that we been talking yesterday. But this is-- the earth is not regarded as opponent or extra thing, but it is a part of the earthy quality of mind, which is quite different.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: But is the doorway to that-- through earth to mind, is it through the body, or is it through some other way, like paying attention to one's thoughts?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I would say both, body and thought as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2574.0,2684.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: How do you step out of ego? [Laughter; applause; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say that developing friendly relationship with ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Then it becomes more inflated.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We become what?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Becomes more inflated, more-- like a balloon you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean ego itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Yeah, if you...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you're trying to like it, trying to love it? No, ego wouldn't like that. [Laughter] Ego would like to be the boss, all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2684.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: In the realm of gods, if there is wisdom and joy of being, I take it that you say that this relates back to pleasure and ego takes its pleasure. But isn't there a joy of being, that joy of being that transcends the pleasure-pain principle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see the point is there may be, but at the same time you experience it, there is watcher, that's happening. That's the problem. I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: In other words, the gods experience--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They may be experiencing--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --experience and experiencer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Experience and experiencer, yes. You may be experiencing some transcendental experience of going beyond of something. But at the same time there is experiencer, who takes note of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: And this is the great temptation of the gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, exactly, because then you are getting something. You are getting more and more feedback of the food to sustain yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: And when do you transcend that, what is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Until that you realize nothing to transcend at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2730.0,2815.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: But isn't there a joy that's a simple expression of the earth's own energy. That where there is just simple energy coming out as defined as, say \"joy\" is a good word I find, where-- Or the earth's energy, or the energy of being itself, in terms of everybody, as joy, as a kind of lightness. Is that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yes, but I mean that's simple one, isn't it, therefore it is more difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2815.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: How is it possible not to ask a hungry ghost question? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you can't. [Laughter] Once you begin to try do that, then that in itself hungry ghost act. [Laughter] There's no end to it. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2845.0,2872.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: I read somewhere that when Mara came to Buddha, Buddha recognized her as being a part of himself and was compassionate because he already had the loving-kindness. And I was very impressed with this because this may be a very good way of dealing with one's ego, or oneself, he recognized that she was only a part of him.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, you see, that's the-- in fact like all the songs of Milarepa and his experience of mara, temptation of maras of different type, is like that. When he tried to use mantras as spell, exorcising them, and nothing worked. When he tried to preach them as student, nothing worked. But in the moment when he realized they're his own projections, then they vanished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2872.0,2929.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: When you get to the point where you feel you can't laugh, you know intellectually the absurdity of where you're at, but you can't get into laughing about it. Seeing that you're perching, even though know in your head that you are. Like, is there anything you can do to just go a step further so you could break through that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that that moment is a very sensitive moment, that you don't have to try to do anything at all. But you just have to be patient and go a little bit further, but not watch yourself experiencing that. But just go a step further. And then, one begin to develop sense of humor of it, that whole thing is being game or whatever its seriousness. You see the whole thing that we be talking about, how to conduct, how to do things, how to get out, all this -- once you begin to regard any kind of method and practice is as sedative, way of getting out of it, then it doesn't work anymore, it's another way of self-deception. I mean in other word, if you regard the skillful means or the methods as way of escaping out, as medicine, then nothing works. It's as simple as that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=2929.0,3026.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Is the bodhisattva path an expression of a hungry ghost? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: But doesn't-- well from what you're saying, it seems to have some of that character. I mean, is taking a vow an expression of a hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. But there is again different types of bodhisattva. You could be evangelical bodhisattva, or that you could be just bodhisattva bodhisattva. I mean taking vow is just commitment, going further. In fact deliberately in taking vow that you don't refer to yourself, that \"*I* am taking vow, *I* am going to become bodhisattva,\" at all. \"I am just a simple, insignificant person. What is more important is the-- all sentient beings are more important than I am.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3026.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: If you're meditating or like just being involved in some kind of situation in your life where what you're doing with it is like sitting and watching your thought processes going on. And you're sort of like actively involved in just watching the way your head works and the way a situation is working. Is there any difference between that kind of watching and the kind of watching that's like an experiencer and an experience? Or is that-- is that the same thing, or is that two different things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it sounds the same thing. You see--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Well is that something to avoid then, like watching, like in meditation, like watching the processes that go on in your mind? I mean how can you avoid--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well exactly, you see that's why the techniques are important in meditation. That you have certain given techniques, and with the techniques that you can go along with it, without watching, because whenever there's idea of watcher involved, that means that you are intellectualizing your meditation, you're actually not feeling it. So techniques make you feel it, like technique of breathing makes you feel the breath completely, so you go along completely with the technique. Or technique for walking, or whatever it may be, that you go along with that technique. And technique's a very sort of earth-bounding thing. And you go along with that, you don't intellectualize yourself. And there's no insurance qualities involved, just simple technique and go along with it. That's automatic way of stepping out of watcher, whereas if you're trying to suppress watcher as it is, then that becomes another watcher, and goes on and on and on. So it's a question of like instead of approaching from front door, it's approaching from back door. That's the techniques of meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3102.0,3230.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Rinpoche, if one were looking at what we're doing, or you know, going through life as like a jigsaw puzzle, strange, you know, puzzle. Which piece-- how would you relate pieces in the puzzle to, say, freedom or so-called mystical experiences. Which would they... how would you... could you give me a concept for like something to relate to?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, there again it's like the question of approaching from back door and the question of approaching from front door. It's the-- all the pieces of jigsaw puzzle are not the answer. It's the ground where your jigsaw puzzle is situated, is maybe.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: You mean they're all like the same?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All like the same, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: All the same?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: And--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All the same, but at same time, the ground makes it possible to have a jigsaw puzzle displayed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3230.0,3311.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: In the realm of the gods, does-- at that point is like everybody that you see appear to you to be God, and you yourself feel like God?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. It's like the same thing as like hatred, for instance. If you hate yourself, you hate everybody, and hallucination of that everybody is aggravating your hatred. The same thing applies the other way around. Once as long as you are centralize your attention inwardly to sort of personal involvement with ego, that put out similar kind of radiations continuously.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: So like the best you can do is try to somehow realize that you're in a given state, that it's like you get so caught up in it, let's say that like you're perching, you're so caught up in it that then like if you can somehow realize that that's what you're doing or somehow realize that you're seeing everybody in a certain way, then you like have that chance to like get a bigger picture?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well yeah, it's question of seeing that everything's as they are, rather than they are your version. Analogy of used that if you have jaundice you see every white is yellow. That's the analogy is be used.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Yeah, so no matter what color sunglasses you're wearing, you're always tinting it, one way or another?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3311.0,3410.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: If I may use the word \"high\" for the moment, whether it be mildly drug-induced or just a feeling of suddenly that feeling of high, where you feel like you're a god, you know. Or like you look around and the friends you're with and all that, you feel a definite change of consciousness and you feel like you're sort of in the royal court and you're all sort of gods and goddesses inhabiting the planet, I think. Is that sort of a bardo experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I would say that's the realm of god experience, the ground where bardo is developing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3410.0,3459.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: How does-- the questions that are asked from a learner's point of view, that are within the realm of the hungry ghost, it seems that the answers should turn to fire in the stomach, you know as-- if that's the food. But there's two kinds of feelings, you know. One is a very gratifying answer that tells us... gives a kind suggestion, you know, and we go on and there's no sensation of turning into fire in the stomach, and then there is. Is the what-- is the question that doesn't bring that kind of answers, not within the realm of a hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I didn't follow your question. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: You said that the hungry ghost world was the disease of the learner.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Well my questions-- I think my questions are from that framework, to learn. Well if that's the framework, you said that the food given to the hungry ghost turns to fire in his stomach. I get that some sensation sometimes from your answers. [Laughter] Often. [Laughter] And other times I get an opposite feeling of encouragement, or suggestion, do it this way and such and such, that-- but are-- but both questions seem to be based, motivated, from that learning point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, that's the interesting point. That it's like the idea of transmission takes place not only by the power of the teacher, but also openness of the student, meeting of the two mind takes place simultaneously, and then the transmission takes place on the spot. So I would say that in the same way that, you see what happens is generally we try to cover ourselves up, all the time. But there's occasional gaps that we forget ourselves to cover it up. There will be gaps of open mind, which is transcending hungry ghost level happens as well. I mean that's the whole point, that otherwise it seem to be that whatever you do is hungry ghost, there's no way out at all. But that is not so. It-- every experience of bardo realms or different types of realms are patches of experiences, not completely covered whole situation, and that's why there's possibilities of sudden experience like satori experience, or the sudden experience of sort of intelligence, buddha nature quality comes through on and off. So one doesn't have to achieve complete perfection of trying to bring that experience all the time necessarily, but there is occasion to acknowledge as hungry ghost, there will be occasion to acknowledge yourself as transcending hungry ghost, takes place alternating all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3459.0,3668.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Are we to assume or supposed to assume that the fires in the stomach are unpleasant?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fires in stomach...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Are unpleasant.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose so.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Well sometimes pain though is intermixed with pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose that could be-- that is also true. It's that you have food in your stomach, which is pleasure, at the same time as turning into fire which is pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: No, but if the fire, which is the pain, can be pleasure at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: The passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: No, I mean-- [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3668.0,3722.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: The desire of ego to be fulfilled. What-- I didn't follow your treatment of that as to how does one liberate those desires of fulfillment that ego presents? Is it by fulfilling them, actually experiencing the fulfillment? Will that satisfy it? Or does one have to see that and liberate it without going through the experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that trying to fulfill is another escape, equally same as trying to suppress. And generally there is a conflict between you and your experiences, your desires. It's kind of game between ego and its extension. Sometime ego trying to overpower the projections, and sometimes projections trying to overpower ego. That kind of battle goes on all the time. So the point is to see that battle as it is, rather than fulfill the desire or suppress them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3722.0,3800.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Is the hunger of enlightenment related to this other hunger that you're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Well then you have to stop *wanting* to be enlightened, is that the idea? Or wanting enlightenment? Because if you're hungry for enlightenment, you want it, well then it would seem as though you'd have to quit thinking about it or something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the point is like in bodhisattva path, that you transcend the desire of attainment of enlightenment, and continuously working along with path, as path is goal and goal is path. And then enlightenment becomes almost by-product rather than deliberate aim.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: And then you just have to give up thinking about enlightenment and just do it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In terms of ambition, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3800.0,3872.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: But if that's the case, isn't Buddha-- don't we understand Buddha to have been a bodhisattva already before he sat down under the bodhi tree? Isn't that the way he's usually understood?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, exactly, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: But you said that his vow, when he sat down, was an expression of the highest level of a hungry ghost. And if he's a bodhisattva, how could he also be an expression of a hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's continuously. That's why he's a bodhisattva, that's why he's not Buddha yet. You see the point is that it is been said once bodhisattva at tenth stage, which is the next-to-enlightenment state, that his view of apparent phenomena or his projections is like a vision of the light of full-moon light. He sees things relatively precise and clear, but not as sunlight. That's why he is bodhisattva, that he has some more to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3872.0,3942.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: Would you give an example of being friendly to your ego, to one's ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a kind of communication and understanding of the mechanism of ego and not trying to suppress it or condemn it, but use ego as a stepping stone, as ladder. The all the concept and ideas of path and vehicles that we discussed are partly formation of ego. In fact very idea of enlightenment is existed because of ego, because there's a contrast. Without ego there wouldn't be the idea, the very notion of enlightenment at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3942.0,3993.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 38]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Could you say something about being fully in-- fully awakened and the levels, the bardo levels? For instance, fully awakened-- the bodhisattva is still treading through six levels, but say when he becomes *fully* awakened, buddhahood, does he still work through these levels in his bodhisattva role?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, because for the very fact that there's no role. I mean the Buddha begin to realize that he has no role to play anymore but to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Well then would he still be a bodhisattva, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well he would be a compassionate person in terms of bodhisattva, but he transcends changing into different levels, because that state, knowledge begin to become part of him, rather than being absolutely learned in terms of purely still, relationship of knowledge and yourself are still separate thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=3993.0,4065.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 39]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Does awakening in one of the realms, is that good for all of them? Do you...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well any kind of awake is... just awake, in any realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: I think you helped me see today, again, it popped up again, how I saw that a lot of-- the way I think and so forth about enlightenment has to-- how it has to do with my ego. And how, I think, ego thinks it's so special, that it deserves something special. Like this word \"enlightenment\" sounds just right down ego's alley. [Laughter] And then-- in that I watch how my ego-- I mean something cannot grasp or accept. It seems repulsed by the idea that it could be something ordinary. And-- it-- I get very confused at that point that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something ordinary?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: The-- that like enlightenment, the way ego looks upon enlightenment, when I-- when it's here, in this place right here, is like it's very ordinary and simple, and that somehow is very revolting [laughter] and repelling. That it's like that, like I don't want to be like the other people here, or ordinary people out in the street. And the ego it seems to take that attitude.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well that's quite an interesting point, you see. Awake state is ordinary of the ordinary, absolutely insignificant thing, completely insignificant. It's nothing, actually. [Laughter] And if you see that way, then all the expectations that are built up of ego is really going to suffer and irritate. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: What did you say? It's going to what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Suffer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Suffer--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=4065.0,4188.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 40]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But even the path somehow inflates the ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, sure it does. Therefore your relationship to path should be also ordinary one.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But even ordinary, I mean there is still the idea of... well is the ego sort of still there, choosing something, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, I mean that's always the danger if we make more emphasis of being extra-ordinary or being ordinary-ordinary, then it's saying the same thing almost in terms of ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Well then it seems you can't get away from it anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the whole point -- then sort of give in and stop trying anything at all. So it is kind of a judo play -- you don't push ego but ego's pushing you becomes ego throws away by itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=4188.0,4247.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 41]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Rinpoche, is there any difference between enlightenment and freedom? Or is it one and the same?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the ultimate sense, it same, it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Same?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=4247.0,4267.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 42]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: But does seeing through one's projections which seem to, you know, you get the-- I get the feeling sometimes that how do you-- you can't see anything at all, all you can see is your projections. Does seeing through have something to do with just shutting up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seeing through?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Seeing through one's projections. Does this have to do with shutting up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It's the opposite.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: I don't mean shutting up. I mean shutting up talking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no, I mean, I know. [Laughter] Even metaphorically. It is not closing; it's the opposite -- of really making communication.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020#t=4267.0,4309.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138132/file/256020/transcript/72352/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think perhaps we should begin. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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