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Presents threefold shunyata: outer, inner, and profound. Outer shunyata is based on hopelessness, in the sense of no expectations which rely on external phenomena. Inner shunyata experience is based on transcending the \"the two veils\", or obscurations: conflicting emotions and primitive beliefs about reality. Profound shunyata as pure, absolute gap where the question of \"that\" and this\" does not exist.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSep 12 2024 to Jun 15 2025 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Julia McKaig Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Blaire Martin, Lynn Friedman, JP Glutting\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbout shunyata, the nondualistic expression of emptiness. Presents threefold shunyata: outer, inner, and profound. Outer shunyata is based on hopelessness, in the sense of no expectations which rely on external phenomena. Inner shunyata experience is based on transcending the \"the two veils\", or obscurations: conflicting emotions and primitive beliefs about reality. Profound shunyata as pure, absolute gap where the question of \"that\" and this\" does not exist.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/556/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345069","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-1yyrwk.mpga"]},"duration":3861.11525,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/556/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345069","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/556/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-1yyrwk.mpga?1759343418","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3861.11525,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720427VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720427VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1972 - Class 10] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes of 1972, held in Boulder, Colorado. This is class number ten, Shunyata, held April 27th, 1972.\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom remaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=0.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In regarding to the last week's discussion on prajna, that we discussed the idea of super intelligence, which will be powerful and extraordinarily precise, in terms of experience of relating with the reality of living situation. And that automatically accompanied by what's called shunyata, which is an area in which prajna could exist, could survive. So that seem to be next topic that automatically comes in organic process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=23.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Shunyata\" is a Sanskrit word. \"Shunya\" is \"void\" or \"empty\" or \"absence\"; \"ta\" means \"that which makes absence or voidness into reality\", so we have empti*ness*, void*ness*. Tibetan term, \"tongpa\" means \"empty\", \"void\"; \"nyi\", which makes empti*ness*, that which has characteristics. In other word we could discuss lost, but we have nothing in terms of relating with that lost as lost-ness, because we are completely lost, so therefore we can't relate with anything that is tangible in terms of lost-ness. That we are poor, but we just feel poor in terms of poverty alone, but we cannot relate with that being poor is associated with some particular characteristics of being poor-ness. So the idea of shunyata is that which does not has characteristics of dualistic situation, but at the same time, it has its own characteristic of nonduality. So therefore it is empty, and empty itself expresses its emptiness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=93.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the case of shunyata teaching, which is based on how to be mahayana experience of bodhisattva's path, where the bodhisattvas thrive on that particular experience. So we have threefold shunyata experiences. That outer shunyata, inner shunyata, and profound shunyata, or the shunyata-ness of it, emptiness-ness of it -- double reinforcement. Emptiness could be challenged as external-internal, but when you have emptiness that you can't challenge as one particular basic thing, then you have emptiness-ness of it. It's a fundamental double reassurance of the idea of shunyata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=209.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So from this perspective we could discuss the threefold aspect of shunyata: the outer shunyata, internal shunyata, and profound shunyata. Discussing the outer shunyata, which is purely related with the actual physical existence of living situation as such. And this particular living situation as such could be said as materialistic approach, survival process. \"How could I survive on the basis of maintaining myself?\" That's the formula. And the answer possibly is \"I can survive on the basis of maintaining myself because the maintenance is based on me.\" That statement makes whole thing is very frivolous, somewhat. To begin with, we questioned, \"How could I survive?\" automatically means that we cannot survive on me. I cannot survive on me, you cannot survive on you, provide there's something else to make that we are-- we could survive, which is maintenance of survival process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=292.0,422.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word that we could have all kinds of maintenance gadgets involved with all kind of living situation. That we are entirely enriched with maintenance tactic. Plenty of food, plenty of shelter, plenty of security, plenty of entertainments. But who is going to get entertained, who's going to get survived, who's going to be get fat? The original logic is \"I want to survive by maintaining my survival, opposed to me.\" So the maintenance also depends on what should be maintained. So from that sense that what's called external shunyata, that you can't maintain yourself by purely relating with your maintenance process, gadget, whatever. In other word, we can't see a vision without eyes, we can't hear music without ears, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=422.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quite rightly, it is stated in the Sutras of Prajnaparamita Hridaya, it says that \"That emptiness extends beyond the concept of sense organs as well as sense perceptions.\" In other word there's no point having sense organs if you have no sense perceptions as solid things anymore. Equally that if you have no sense organs that you can't have point of having sense perceptions either. Might sound like very hypothetical, philosophical argument. But at the same time that process has its own basic qualities of relying on external phenomena which will approach to your existence, to prove your existence. In order to have external phenomena that you have to have internal phenomena to prove that external phenomena does exist, at the same time. So equally these two situations are interdependent. You can't have another or the other or the other, so it is an interdependent situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=505.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From point of view of those who are extremely intelligent and critical-minded, who does not trust in the situation of phenomena of \"this\" or phenomena of \"that\", which is to say that \"this\" is the project*or* and \"that\" is the projec*tion*. That we have nowhere to live, nowhere to cling on anything at all, so it's hopeless situation. There's nothing to cling, nothing to hang on to, absolutely useless, absolutely no ground to dwell on anything, no ground to work with anything at all, none whatsoever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=600.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because of that hopelessness… in this case we might define the word \"hope.\" We can't have hope unless the possibilities of hope is established. That is to say that we have to have preconception. Through that preconception we're going to survive, we're going to maintain ourselves. In other word, expecting million-dollars check in the post -- \"I'm going to get it today in my first check. My family or my friends going to send this million- or hundred- or thousand-dollar check.\" The idea of sending or receiving such check is based on that somebody has bank account [laughter] and they can write a check out of it. It is a hypothetical situation, constantly. And moreover the such thing as idea of bank account at all, that this does exist in this kind of civilization that we are in. And also such existence as a post service is involved, who carries this message back and forth. And you have a postbox in which somebody could put that check into it. And make sure that it is going to be your name and your postbox -- you go out and you collect it, you open the envelope. All kinds of hypothetical indoctrinations involved with that receiving million-dollar check.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=648.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So whole thing from that sense is extraordinarily hypothetical, purely guesswork in other word. Believing in the past: \"Because I know the past, therefore present must be in same structure as the past\" and so forth. Which presents that hopelessness situation. If you're going to depend on purely on the hypothetical situation of the future as such, or the present as such, with the basis of ideas of the past, so whole thing going to be extraordinarily hopeless. So the idea of apparent phenomena which involve with the shunyata is that trying to present that hopelessness situation. That there is no guarantee, in terms of maintaining yourself, believing yourself, that you're going to get answer to it, as such at all. Hopeless situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=774.0,847.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhat that giving up this particular hope it provides less tension, less guesswork, less expectations, and that provides very basic framework in which that hope does not exist as independent entity, as we would like to believe. But hope is interdependent situation, which is rely on something else rather than what we are dwelling on. So we could say that first glimpse of shunyata, or external emptiness of shunyata, is based on this hopelessness situation -- no hope, no expectation. And as long as we have hope that is also dependent on relative situation of \"me\" and \"my projections\" and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=847.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there is the second shunyata experience, which is inner experience of shunyata, or the introverted experience shunyata, which is based on what's called transcending two types of barriers, or two types of confusion. That is to say, conflicted emotions, one, and wrong believing about the reality as the second one. Conflicting emotions, and wrong believe about reality is the second one. In the con-- terms of conflicting emotions is concerned, it's introverted situation of believing in sense of urgency, sense of definite characteristics. That we do have our own individualities, because we have passion, we have aggression, we have our own distrustful, we have our envy, jealous, which keeps mankind as individual man, individual person. \"Because I'm paranoid therefore I could defend myself; because I'm passionate therefore I gather my wealth around me,\" related with people or objects or whatever. \"Because I'm aggressive, therefore I get my job done, accurately, precisely.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=915.0,1052.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All these tentacles of ego that tend to stretch out into the preserving its existence has ego-centered notion, which usually regarded as something very worthwhile: \"Person should be ego-centered person, he should be perfectly business kind of man who could attack his enemies, who could make his money, who could entertain his friends. He is perfect, clever, high-strung, intelligent, clever, absolute on the brink of awareness of what might happen to him.\" So this person has absolute control of the situation as the notion of superman. \"You are super at sharing your warmth and passion to your friends. You could relate with your love affair completely and hundred-percent passionately. You should be able to enjoy the qualities of being with passionate companionship. You take full advantage of that, and you could appreciate the others as well who could inspire the passion. At the same time you should be extremely aggressive person -- if anybody trying to con you or trying to lay trips on you, destroy you, you should be absolutely sharp, precise. That you don't accept anything at all. Because you are so clever and so intelligent, that minute when something bounce on you, you automatically reject because you have such intelligent, awake qualities in you.\" That seem to be the ideal model that we usually tend to have as ideal superman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1052.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from that point that this particular model is the idea of conflicted emotions. Conflicting emotions from this sense is that one is uncertain whether-- how to relate with warmth as universal or how to relate with rejection or critical attitude as universal. And it seem to be there's a lack of accepting \"that\" or \"this\" rather than accepting the whole thing. That's conflicting emotions in the sense that we do not have rest or fundamental trust in anything. You have to bounce between trust, which is passion, or rejection, which is aggression -- we have to bounce back and forth constantly, so there is no other way. That seem to be the conflicting emotions from that sense, which is extraordinarily primitive. It's kind of ape instinct, which is developed in terms of language or logic, but still it is an ape instinct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1201.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we have the other part, which is the wrong belief about reality. And whenever we talk about reality, from that sense, that sense of reality is purely based on proving what is not reality. Which means that what is not reality is we feel that we are not real person. We have a certain distrust about ourselves. So the only thing that we could find about \"real\" or \"real thing\", \"reality\", is there may be something else outside of us, which is real. Because we distrust so much of ourselves, therefore there is something else out there that we could relate as a real thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1285.0,1349.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The notion of God, for instance, is one thing, is perfect example of that. \"I am imperfect. I am confused, fucked up, uncertain. Because of that there must be something more than this, which is not fucked up, which is not uncertain. Something is real outside there. At least we could relate with the sun and the moon and stars, and the flowers and trees. And after all they're creation of God. So trees seem to be real and the moon and sun seem to be real. And imagine that there is maker of that tree and sun and moon, which could be further real, absolutely real and definite.\" [Laughs] \"The-- all the poetry, all the music, all the literary work, all the wisdom that being presented to us in our world, there must be maker of those -- disregarding the authors of those, they are the purely channels of course. There must be something more than that. They must need light to write these books, which is sun shines on them. There must be maker of sun who make sun to shine.\" And whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1349.0,1476.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those whole kind of externalized belief about the expansive, majestic, and basic deception that is involved, if I may say so, is based on wrong believing about the reality. Which comes the second categories of the ego, absolutely, without moments of doubt. It is without moment of doubt because such perception is based on our perceptions. If you do not relate with our perceptions as the creator of the whole thing, whole myth, whatever, the reality, [laughs] the-- there is author of that myth, or the author of the reality, is based on us, purely on us. That we instigated \"that\" -- if we don't have \"this\", which is us, since we begin to aware of ourselves as \"this\", therefore we instigated \"that\" automatically, naturally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1476.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the whole point is not to understand the-- why arrow moves out, and why it strikes on objects on the target -- that's not regarded as a mystery. But the bow is regarded as mystery from that sense, the shooter of the arrow, which is bow. Moreover that person who aimed that particular-- use that particular instrument as means to express its forthcoming action. So on the-- altogether that true belief-- true understanding about reality is the instigator of the whole game, rather than trying to change the course of arrow in midair, which is impossible to do it. So the whole concept from that sense is failing to understand instigator. And we are so concerned about the instigation rather than instigat*or*, as such, that you're more frightened, overwhelmed, by the echo which is you uttered at the beginning. That seem to be the problem at the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1580.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So from this sense of shunyata experience, of inner experience of shunyata experience is concerned, is to relate that instigat*or* does not exist as individual, personal instigator as such, but it's a collection of situation that provided us. So therefore instigator is also based on instigation. So instigation is nonsubstance situation, so therefore instigator does not exist as independent, at all. The grass need to have ground to grow. If there is no ground for grass to grow, there would be no grass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1682.0,1754.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the case of the third types of shunyata experience of profound shunyata experience is concerned, that it is based on the sense of hopelessness of external situation, which is a production of your game. And internal situation does not exist either, because it is based on your emotional expectation game, at same time. So therefore shunyata is being seen as just purely gap, absolute gap, in which that situation of \"that\" or \"this\"-- the question of \"that\" or \"this\" does not exist at all, none whatsoever. In other word that you begin to lose perspective situation of comparison of \"that\" and \"this.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1754.0,1818.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As has been said in the Heart Sutra -- \"form is empty\" because form does-- cannot exist on form, unless there is emptiness to prove its existence. And \"emptiness is form,\" because emptiness cannot exist without relating with form. Therefore form is form, because it's self-contained thing; emptiness is emptiness because it's self-contained thing. And there's eighteen dialogues of shunyata proclamations, which goes on to say that \"It's not outside, it's not inside, and it's neither outside, not inside. It's neither not not inside, not not outside,\" and so on, so on. But the idea is the same thing that when you say \"not\" you dwell on not. So when you say \"not not\" you also dwell on not not. So finally we have to wipe out the whole area of the negative statement had to become wiped out at the same time, because they're completely positive statements, fundamentally.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe should stop there. [Laughs] We could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1818.0,1921.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: When the Chinese philosophers reach the subject of the \"not not\" they stop talking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They stop what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: They stop talking. When they discuss philosophy, until they reach the subject of the \"not not\", when they reach that point that they both stop talking. [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, how do we know they stop talking?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do we know they stop talking?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well I mean, that's a joke. You have two Chinese philosophers talking, [INAUDIBLE]. [laughter] They talk philosophy for a while and then they reach the subject of the \"not not,\" which is like, I guess it's an old theme or something to Chinese philosophers. And one-- when they reach that point of the discussion, then they stop talking. That's the only way to discuss it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's unfortunate thing, [laughter] that somebody know that they stop talking. [Laughter; laughs] Any questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1921.0,1988.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Do you have to go through each of the stages to get to like the total experience of shunyata, or do you end up in one? Like do you either experience inner shunyata or outer shunyata, or do you have to start with external then go to-- then you experience the internal, then you experience [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the whole thing becomes obvious. That if you approach from the external shunyata, that conclusion is becomes internal shunyata as well as profound shunyata, at the same time. So there is no contradiction about it, the-- I mean the whole thing is not regarded as separate categories. It happens automatically. It's like you see light shining, at the same time you begin to see the objects as well the same time. It's that kind of thing, it fulfills automatic function.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So it's just different approaches [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's different perspective way of looking at, that there is such thing as external shunyata *and* internal shunyata, but at the same time they're not regarded as separate things, as such. Like you could say that sound and hearing, that you-- sound and hearing could be regarded as separate thing, but in order to analyze sound you also experience the experience of hearing, at same time. So from that point of view we could say the external shunyata is like the sound, and the internal shunyata is like the hearing. And the profound shunyata is like the perception of that whole trip together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=1988.0,2122.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Are you saying that like a physical phenomena does not exist independent of our sensing of that phenomena?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true, yeah. I mean you can't have independent physical phenomena without a perceiver.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, how do know that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't, that's the whole point. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You just told me that the truth of the matter is that physical reality does not exist independent of my receiving it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And that's the truth, but you don't know that's true.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you receive that's truth, but there is no independent truth. If you have hot chili waiting for you on a plate, you do not know it's hot chili unless you ate it, unless you taste it. Then it becomes hot chili. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But it still might be hot even though I'm not tasting it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can't be hot, because it doesn't have its audience, or the eater. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any kind of qualities?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could say that--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2122.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --because I was going to ask you if it was, then how would you know it was there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could say that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: How would you know that it wasn't there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Until you know how it wasn't there, there's no qualities. I mean there is some quality -- we could say that the absence of quality, but it is not absolutely nothing, from that sense, because you perceive it is absence of qualities.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Then that's how you could say it's positive?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, as well as that's regarded as a possible deception. Because of that you have to transcend from shunyata experience, beyond that level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2239.0,2294.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I'm really interested why when you would set up yourself -- in other words, man, and that's you, a particular man -- as being the most important thing. In other words you say a tree doesn't exist unless a man perceives it. Why is a man such an integral part to say the tree would not exist because a man did not perceive it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well what we are talking about is we are not talking about existence of individual things, but we are talking about psychological world. It doesn't have to be anthropomorphic, from that sense. [Laughter] It could be animals idea or whatever it may be. [Laughs; laughter] Because tree is tree because we call it \"tree\" -- otherwise it's nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Oh, but that's not true. We call it a \"tree\" but it still has a form and shape in God's eyes. Just because we don't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whose eyes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: God's eyes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who is God?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Okay, God may be-- very well may be man's perception, but whether we conceive of it or not, why do we have to go and say that there isn't such thing as a tree?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there isn't such thing as tree. There's no such thing as tree at all, it's just there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Just is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just is. That's the reality. SPEAKER6: Is that the quality--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What *is* does not need any kind of reassurance at all, none whatsoever. We don't have to call it \"tree\" or whatever, \"stone\" or whatever. It is so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2294.0,2401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So one that knows God doesn't have to call it \"God\", doesn't have to say it's an almighty being that created everything. So a person who experiences God, he knows that God is.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown gesture or incident;\r\n\r\n\r\nlaughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm quite skeptical about that abstract ideas of God. Because God is quite different from tree. You have-- you don't have God growing anywhere. [Laughter] We have a tree growing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How can you say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, of course you can.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Why can you say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Why can you say that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Has anybody seen God?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Has anybody seen a tree?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: With what eyes, what are you talking about? You're talking about the phenomenal world seeing a tree with these eyes? What about seeing light with the inner eyes, is that not seeing God, the same way as seeing a tree with these eyes? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's an entirely different matter altogether, that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What do you mean by entirely different [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well because you see a tree as a tree in the absolute reality. Something is there. Because sense perceptions are most important thing of all. The reality-- that is what does mean reality, or the absolute truth. If you put your foot on-- if you put your finger on stove, you get burned. That's reality. It speaks truth. No one can mistake about it. If you put your finger on the stove, you get burned, because you get immediate message. If you have abstract ideas about whatever that or this, you don't get the immediate message, so that's the false reality. It's not real.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But if you experience God with your inner eye, your third eye--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know what \"inner eye\" means.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Okay, and it's in the same sense, if a man says that you have two eyes and you see a tree with two eyes, and Jesus says, \"When thine eye becomes single thou will see God,\" what is the difference between the two things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: There is no difference.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If somebody put finger on God, get burned. [Laughter] We are talking about a very real world, that this is the only world we have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2401.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Do you think this world's real?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, obviously.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Obviously?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Otherwise there can't be any teachings or anything at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So what means-- why would you say, or why would anybody make the mistake if this world is real? Why would anybody be able to say that the book that I read, the descriptions that I read, are real, when your life seems to be so transient, and everything [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because they're transient, therefore it's real. Otherwise you can't have reality. I don't mean to say real is the-- happens all the time, exists all the time. Because it's changing all the time it's-- death and birth takes place all the time, therefore it's real. The transience is the reality. Impermanence is reality. This happens all the time. The-- we could say that impermanence is the reality. It's real and permanent. Impermanence is the permanent because it's constantly being per-- impermanent. We can't say not changing. Because it's changing therefore it's permanent.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What about something that's not changing? Is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no such thing in the world at all, beyond any perceptions, absolutely nothing. Because everything is depend on your perceptions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: All right, so your perceptions or my perceptions. What about the person who perceives something beyond my perceptions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is no such person.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You don't believe that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Don't believe word of it. [Laughter] Even the enlightened person. I'm sorry, I'm atheist. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2557.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, you said that this world is real. Like, does it really matter whether this world is real or not? It seems to be it's an academic question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't really matter at all, but we need some kind of landmarks that save ourselves getting into accidents. The sharp edge of life is real if you fall on it, that kind of thing. Like we deal with our children: \"Don't play with fire, get burned yourself. Don't eat poison, you get killed.\" That kind of reality seem to be very important, from an atheistic point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Now-- but like it seems to be that as long as the fire seems to be there, and as long as when I put my hand in it, it seems to me that it hurts, that it's-- that it doesn't much matter whether it's, in some abstract sense, real.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But there's a direct message. Doesn't matter whether it's abstract or real, but it is *that*. It is so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: That?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. From that sense we are not discussing really idea of reality or unreality. But we are talking about what is so. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2662.0,2774.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Why does it matter-- why doesn't it matter what is real or not?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why does what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Why doesn't it matter?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't matter philosophically. We could develop all kinds of existential philosophies onto the things. But it does matter if we get into accident. If you cross the road, without looking right and left and right again, we get run over by a car.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Does that matter sometimes when it doesn't matter others?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I wouldn't say -- it matters always.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: And you said it didn't.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true. [Laughter; laughs] But that's saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well what I'm driving at is, what is there beyond this that makes, you know, things not matter, or they do matter -- what's beyond that, that makes that so?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because it's based on emptiness. Because whole thing is based on nothing. If there is something called nothing, therefore all kind of play could exist on that nothingness. You don't have to make a pot, but you might have to make a pot in order to express there is space inside the pot and outside the pot. And having made the pot already, you might have to break it to express that there is already space outside the pot as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2774.0,2894.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: When you were talking earlier about externalizing belief and the idea that if a person feels uncertain about himself, that will make him think that there is some certainty in the world outside of him -- is that correct?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And, well, does that same type of rationale work for, like people like-- sometimes like to rationalize let's say existence of God, by the point-- from the point of view where there has to be something more than this. Is that also an externalized belief?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah, because that you can't have God unless there's a believer to the God. Because that's why the whole doctrine of God, myth of God, is based on faith, become extraordinarily important. You have to have faith to believe; if you don't have faith you would regard as renegade or the punishable person. So reason why that-- it's very clever thing, actually. That you have to have faith in order to believe in God. So if you remove out faith, there's no God, there's no you, either, from that sense. So that's ex-- true experience of shunyata. [Laughs] Yes? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is there any belief on the path?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is there any room for any belief on the path?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you could have all the beliefs. And that's the characteristic of the path. You have the beliefs of all kinds. And we have unmasked all those beliefs. That's the characteristics of your journey. So believing is the fuel which we have to burn out onto the path, as we proceed on the path. So tremendous room for believing, but they're regarded as a temporary thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2894.0,3046.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: If I come here and sit and listen to-- come to hear somebody lecture, it seems that I don't have to believe that they know something I don't, that [UNCLEAR: person's?] perception-- or belief that they know something I don't, so that when I sit there I'll learn something. In other words I have to have the belief that they know something before I come to the lecture.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see that's the-- always the problem, biggest problem. If you believe that somebody knows better than you do and you are listening, wholeheartedly, you don't learn anything at all, none whatsoever. You become computer machine. That person program you. Everything's programmed into you got all the phrases and everything. Whereas if you half believe, if you have a critical attitude to what you hear -- it's not being true or being true at the same time -- then your intelligence be stimulated and you learn more. That's the whole point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Right but I have to believe that there's a possibility you may know more than I do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But possibilities of then you knowing better than he does [laughter] at the same time. I mean that's the problem with educational system, particularly with the credentials, are very destructive. Whenever somebody has credentials, that completely blocks your intelligence. I mean that's one of the very destructive things of all from that sense. There's no room for your intelligence begin to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3046.0,3162.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I was thinking about a lecture that you gave, if you recall, [INAUDIBLE] a year or two ago [INAUDIBLE] in which you talked about the seeing reality in a spiritual sense. And I thought as I was listening to some of these questions that might well be cleared up with a brief explanation of [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say the seeing the reality?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Do you remember about, you developed that point in [UNCLEAR: The Open Way?] [INAUDIBLE]. Seeing reality in a spiritual sense was really the topic of your talk there at the Zen monastery in Tassajara. And well, a couple-- several of these questions have been asked and I thought if you could just briefly talk about that and just clear it up from that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I see what you mean, yeah. Yes. Well you see the whole point is that our reality is regarded as a message, constantly. If you hear sound of water flowing, that is reality, that there is water flowing there. And which is quite a definite thing, that you can't interpret that as being fire or wind, because it is true water situation. So question is that completely relating with what's happening with actual physical existence rather than any kind of a sense of interpretation or way of twisting around. That you have-- you are getting profound message. As far as reality is concerned there is no profound message. It's so. So the whole point of simplicity is the most profound thing of all, from that sense. That the particularly Buddhist way of approaching reality is just things as they *are*, therefore you can't con reality and you have to accept them, whether it is hard fact or soft fact. That it is so. Suffering is suffering, pain is pain, dissatisfaction is dissatisfaction. It is so, therefore it is very profound, because it is simple. It's a very direct, direct message.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3162.0,3337.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How is meditation related to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How is meditation related--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well precisely meditation is not getting into a higher, blissful state at all from Buddhist point of view. It is just providing openness in your mind in which that you could bring out the undercurrent of the hidden neurosis, would come on the surface. And meditation deals with bringing out the undercurrent to the surface, that's all. So that you could look them as a realistic thing, as rather than a message of spiritual thing, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: So you wouldn't discard anything that came up in meditation as being not relevant or something like that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well whatever comes up in meditation is thought process. It's not regarded as a message of the future for the mankind, or we know-- we do not regard the meditation experience of whatever you have is occult experience, anything at all. There's no magic or miracles. Whatever things or thoughts occurred in meditation is regarded as thought process, fuel for your meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3337.0,3431.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: In the-- in [INAUDIBLE] that reality, how would you distinguish between-- of the real sense of-- sense perception and hallucination?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in some sense we could say the sense perceptions are hallucination. It becomes purely hallucination because you want to lay trips on them, whereas if you see them as purely sense perceptions then they become simple facts. Hallucination, this case, is based on wishful thinking which becomes a strong willpower situation, in which you manage to produce yourself a vision of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3431.0,3484.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: What's the intuition [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, same thing as in the other thing we're discussing. Intuition could have the qualities of concept involved with it, or else it's the true perception as things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: How would [UNCLEAR: it take on the person?] you know, how [UNCLEAR: could there be?] separation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well because you have some concept involved with intuition. That your intuition is a message for something else rather than intuition itself. Or else the intuition is, as it is a hard fact, truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3484.0,3537.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You say that sense perceptions are hallucinations in the sense that we lay trips on them. Without that they are just simple facts. Aren't the-- isn't the trip-laying, isn't that a simple fact also in some way, that has to be related to as such?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they need logic to prove they're laying trips, which means they have to make some kind of scientific experiment onto the \"that\" opposed to \"this\", that \"this\" opposed to \"that.\" So it automatically becomes a trip. In this case if we may make definition of way we use the word \"trip\", is \"that which requires journey back and forward\" rather than accepting fact as it is. So that which need journey back and forward is regarded as a trip, because you are depend on comparison. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But as a practical matter of day to day living, isn't this trip that keeps taking place a practical fact-- a simple fact that-- I mean, in other words you have to-- it seems to me that you have to accommodate that in some way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You have to accommodate?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Accommodate the fact that an illusion is continually being produced.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: A primitive belief is continually being produced.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --sure, I mean that's general common sort of sense, but nevertheless, when you are in action of relating with things, one doesn't have to let loose that particular thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: One doesn't have to relate loosely?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let loose. Unleashed. Because things have their own characteristics without you making affectations of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3537.0,3706.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Can you explain archetypes? [Speaking loudly] Archetypes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Arch...?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Archetypes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem to be exactly the same thing as what we been discussing, is that analogies which involves another analogies. That in other word, archetypes-- definition of archetypes, if you could say in such way, simple way, is the archetypes are the frozen reality. In other word the frozen waterfall is archetype of waterfall, did you see?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Could you explain the frozen reality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Frozen reality is there is no lubrication, that it is more than necessarily hard fact. It is so because there's no room for otherwise. I mean that's precisely that any kind of iconographical pictures of symbolism, becomes archetypal experience. Because there's no room to be otherwise -- becomes hard fact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=3706.0,3806.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85018/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is there any questions about-- connected with the examination, that's being the particular two topics that being presented, any questions about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nWe might close this meeting and get together in the discussion groups. Any rooms?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: The rooms are 185--\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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You have two\nChinese philosophers talking,\n[INAUDIBLE]. 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eyes?\n[INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2456.27,2459.22"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85019/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean\nthat's an entirely different\nmatter altogether, that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2459.22,2462.17"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85019/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER6: What do you mean\nby entirely 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That's reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2484.71,2490.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85019/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It speaks truth.\nNo one can mistake about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556#t=2490.66,2493.88"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161707/file/293556/transcript/85019/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you put your finger\non the stove, you get 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