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With Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche; Joan Halifax-Grof, then anthropologist and research fellow in psychiatry and future American Zen Buddhist teacher, ecologist, and author; her then-husband Stanislav Grof, former chief psychiatrist at Maryland Psychiatric Research Center,  pioneer in use of psychedelic drugs and other non-traditional methods of working with the dying, and one of founders of Transpersonal Psychiatry. Moderated by Duncan Campbell. Grofs discuss their research and experience working with the dying aided by LSD and rites of passage ceremonies from traditional cultures, and successes they've had. Trungpa Rinpoche suggests that the constant loose ends, interruptions, hassles of our lives actually elicit  fear of death. Importance of  accepting impermanence, seeing richness of life along with awareness of death. In Tibet, people studied descriptions of death: what happens both physically and psychologically, as well as the after-death bardo experience, as preparation reducing shock of the experience. Traditionally the Buddhist practice of meditation, mindfulness-awareness, also seen as informing death experience. Describes bardo experience, where most shrink from brilliant visions, going toward more comfortable ones, which leads to samsara. Suggests major stumbling block being nonacceptance of undesirable things in our lives, rather than seeing life as a vehicle for learning."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jul 09 2021 to Mar 01 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Open Secret panel discussion on then-current experimental approaches to death and dying, and on traditional Tibetan views of death and dying. With Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche; Joan Halifax-Grof, then anthropologist and research fellow in psychiatry and future American Zen Buddhist teacher, ecologist, and author; her then-husband Stanislav Grof, former chief psychiatrist at Maryland Psychiatric Research Center,  pioneer in use of psychedelic drugs and other non-traditional methods of working with the dying, and one of founders of Transpersonal Psychiatry. Moderated by Duncan Campbell. Grofs discuss their research and experience working with the dying aided by LSD and rites of passage ceremonies from traditional cultures, and successes they've had. Trungpa Rinpoche suggests that the constant loose ends, interruptions, hassles of our lives actually elicit  fear of death. Importance of  accepting impermanence, seeing richness of life along with awareness of death. In Tibet, people studied descriptions of death: what happens both physically and psychologically, as well as the after-death bardo experience, as preparation reducing shock of the experience. Traditionally the Buddhist practice of meditation, mindfulness-awareness, also seen as informing death experience. Describes bardo experience, where most shrink from brilliant visions, going toward more comfortable ones, which leads to samsara. Suggests major stumbling block being nonacceptance of undesirable things in our lives, rather than seeing life as a vehicle for learning."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/127/small/thumbnail_167127_1663561890.jpg?1663562094","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19740805VCTR2-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4"]},"duration":3840.896,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/127/small/thumbnail_167127_1663561890.jpg?1663562094","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/167/127/original/19740805VCTR2-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4?1663560975","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3840.896,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740805VCTR2-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19740805VCTR2 - Naropa Institute - Boulder - Open Secret - Life, Death, and Dying]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=0.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PRE-SHOW CHATTING]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Tomorrow is Body and Mind. And then on Wednesday is the God and Morality one -- Frederick [UNCLEAR: Strang?], Jake Jepson, Brother Doyle, and David. And Friday is the Man-Woman thing. And then next Tuesday is Education, talking about Naropa a little bit -- Ben Weems and Roger Patchett from C.U., as well as John Baker and John Perks. And then on Thursday--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Roger Patchett is coming?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, that's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So Duncan?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Thank you. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=45.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Welcome to Open Secret, a series of discussions that are being recorded in Boulder, Colorado at Naropa Institute. Naropa Institute was founded by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, in order to provide a ground in which the artistic and academic researchers and scholarship of the West could meet with those of the East.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=96.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tonight's discussion concerns the topic of \"Life, Death, and Dying.\" And we have with us three people who are currently on the faculty of Naropa Institute: Joan Halifax-Grof, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, and Dr. Stanislav Grof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=116.0,136.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joan Halifax-Grof has received a PhD in medical anthropology from the Union Graduate School. And prior to that she worked for five years in cross-cultural anthropology. She did a year of field work in Africa, in ethnography, and had also served for a year and a half as a research fellow at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center along with her husband, Stanislav Grof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=136.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the founder of Naropa Institute, has written several books on the practice of meditation, among them MEDITATION IN ACTION and CUTTING THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM. In addition, in his own training as the abbot of the Surmang Monasteries in Eastern Tibet, prior to his coming to the West, he went through a bardo retreat. And also since the age of eight has been working with dying people three or four times a week, as part of his training, again in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Currently he is working on a new English translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead. Stanislav Grof received his M.D. from Charles University School of Medicine in Prague, Czechoslovakia. He also served as the chief of psychiatric research at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center, and at the same time was assistant professor at Johns Hopkins University. For the past eighteen years, Doctor Grof has been working with professors, artists, psychiatric patients, and dying patients, with psychedelic substances such as LSD as a treatment procedure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=163.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both he and his wife at this point are on leave of absence from their respective universities, and are presently scholars in residence at Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California. They have been married for the last two years, and have been working together bringing the perspective of cultural anthropology to that of the work that Doctor Grof has been doing with patients in psychedelic research.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=239.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: And the topic I think which is probably most interesting for us to explore this evening concerns the work that the Grofs have been doing together with dying patients and the use of LSD and other psychotropic substances in that area.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe first thing that occurs to me, Stan, is how such a procedure developed. I mean where the link was made between the kind of experience on LSD and dying patients?\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: It is interesting that the first idea didn't come from a psychiatrist or a psychologist or mental health professional, but it came from a writer, philosopher, Aldous Huxley. Aldous Huxley took mescaline and LSD on several occasions. And he had the feeling that it profoundly influenced his philosophy, but also his feelings about death. And as early as 1958, he wrote a letter to Humphry Osmond, who was one of the pioneers of the psychedelic research, and he explicitly suggested that this procedure should be tried with cancer patients.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=267.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: And what kind of work have you been doing for the last two years, at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Institute, in terms of how many patients you dealt with, and the kinds of experiences you had as individuals watching people go through that transformative period, when they know they're going to die, and at the same time have not had anything in their culture which has really prepared them for death?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=338.0,365.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: I think Duncan that's a very relevant point. One of the issues that Stan and I have been discussing constantly is the fact that in the West the rites of passage, the transformational rites, simply do not exist; or if they do exist they're in a very mitigated form, like an empty ceremony. And essentially what a rite of passage does is prepare an individual for important life transitions: transitions at the time of birth; at the puberty, at the time of first maturity, when an individual assumes adult responsibilities; at the time of aging where other aspects of life are activated; and of course at the time of death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=365.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now what these rituals do essentially is lead the individual in almost a path through a series of experiences wherein he goes through a death-rebirth experience, where his old self is left behind, where he moves into a liminal state, the state of being essentially betwixt and between. And through certain techniques, through symbolisms, he activates within his own unconscious this death-rebirth matrix, and literally enacts dying, and being reborn. And it's essentially this lesson which Westerners have not experienced on the gut level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=410.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first time that I really understood this actually was when I was watching a video tape of Stan working with a cancer patient. And I was sitting there, much the observing anthropologist, and trying to understand what this procedure was all about. And all of a sudden I just had this insight. I said, \"Well what this is, it's a contemporary very unself-conscious rite of passage, a rite of transformation.\" I think Stan can elaborate in detail what occurs when LSD is used to activate the unconscious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=455.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In non-Western cultures essentially what happens is that the intrinsic level of the individual and the external world reaches a kind of congruent set. So symbols are used which indicate a transformational process. And the individual at the same time is having a very profound personal experience. So it's like a kind of an indelible stamp on his very soul, which he carries throughout his life. As an initiate, as an individual who goes through life transitions, as an individual who incurs illness, and indeed healing as a rite of transformation. So we see rites of transformation as a *total* redefinition of the individual, a leaving of the old self behind, and a moving into a new world. And what we have in the West is essentially a vacuum of this area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=497.0,552.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this is a very good reason why our concept of death is one of the absurd, or experiencing death is the final defeat, because from our point of view death has no relevance. It is the end, it is the agonizing termination. And what is the meaning of life? If you enter life at birth in agony and at the end of life you experience agony, what happens in between, what is the meaning of it all? And these transformative experiences say to the individual, \"Yes, you will die, you will be annihilated -- but you will be reborn.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=552.0,596.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well, what is it exactly that gets reborn? I mean does the concept of self somehow survive this experience? Is it a matter of talking about the death of ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It's really more than that. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=596.0,610.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: I became first interested in dying, in the early sixties when I was working with psychiatric patients using psychedelic therapy. And I was doing it in a psychoanalytic framework. I expected that this will be an accelerated intensified psychotherapy. And to my surprise most of the patients entered this area with very profound experience of dying and being reborn. And the experience was very complex, of multi-level, where one aspect of it felt like actual biological dying; they almost sort of anticipated their death, they saw themselves at the time when they will be dying. There was another facet of it where they felt they were living the agony of birth, when they were being born into this world. Another part of it was somehow, like a philosophical superstructure, when they were encountering the problem of everybody being mortal, impermanent, we all have to die, and at that moment they experience they are actually dying. So it has these many facets, but ultimately what changes, what is transformed, seems to be the ego, or the self-definition of the individual. Because, you know, none of the patients actually died during this procedure -- but many of them believed they were dying. It can be so real, so convincing, that the individual loses somehow the insight that this is an LSD session, or this a symbolic procedure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=610.0,705.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: What were some of the implications, for instance, that you found with people who had gone through that experience, as to what they brought back to their own daily living situation, having sensed this impermanence very deeply? Did their lives change in any way?\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Yes. You find very much what was described in, let's say, ancient mysteries, which all focused on death and rebirth. Where people emerged as twice-born or reborn or enlightened or illumined. It involves a very, very profound change in the individual. Which involves such aspects as self-acceptance, for example. They are much better equipped to meet with themselves as they are. And at the same time they're also better equipped to tolerate others. So the level of tolerance is very much increased. Another change is what we call \"zest\", increased joy in life. Just everyday, ordinary situations are experienced with much more satisfaction, such as food, such as perception of nature, listening to music, simple interactions with people, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Stan, I think even to the point of sacralizing everyday life.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Almost a feeling of-- feeling of sacrament when you are eating, or when you're sort of interacting with other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=705.0,793.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another major change that we saw was a change in sort of time perception. Somehow typically people in this culture live very much in the past and in the future. Sort of ruminating things that happened in the past, questioning why they didn't do things differently. And much of this thinking is sort of guilt-ridden. And at the same time there's dissatisfaction with the present, and some kind of wishful fantasies concerning the future, where you do everything better. So somehow this spectrum narrows in that experience, so that the person is very much in the here and now. And somehow the past doesn't matter anymore -- emotionally anyway. They still remember all those things, but you know the emotional charge somehow disappears.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=793.0,842.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also they are interested in the future, more in sort of realistic terms. You know they would like to be-- to have medical insurance or social insurance. But all that area of building air castles, and getting involved in daydreaming, you know seems to be very much reduced. And as a result of it there is an increased ability to actually sort of appreciate and enjoy things as they are coming, every second, every minute of their life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=842.0,877.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: One of the most important areas I feel is the change in concept of death. Whereas we know percept precedes concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: That's another very, very important consequence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=877.0,887.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: That is, if the individual in the LSD experience goes through the death-rebirth experience, he then knows on a gut level, or feels on a gut level, that death is simply a transformation into another state of being. There's a wonderful saying by Abbe de Sancta Clara, which I think is really appropriate here. And it goes as follows, \"A man who dies before he dies does not die when he dies.\" [Laughs] And this is the kind of feeling that the people with whom were brought to us, time and time again: that this profound encounter with annihilation, this feeling of loss of self, loss of ego, in fact was the way to move into a live of selflessness, a way of being, of living in the here and now, taking each day as it comes. And when the dying became more intense, and death was more imminent, the approach to that time, to the event of actual death, was an approach of, almost in some individuals, as a cosmic adventure, [laughs] how they talked about it. And other individuals, a sense of great peace and a gentle anticipation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=887.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what we have observed very, very frequently with individuals where this treatment has been successful, is that the event of death itself is not one of agony, as we so often fantasize death as being, of tremendous struggle, but more of a peaceful state of mind, a state of willingness to go into the other state, into the process of transformation. And we saw many individuals who could very possibly have had agonizing, frightening, tumultuous deaths, and of course we know about this quality of death, but many of the people with whom we worked had a death of great peace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=966.0,1010.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also we feel that this has tremendous implications in terms of the survivors, the loved ones, because when-- they also go through the experience with the dying individual, and this in turn shapes their concept of death, and has a very profound impact on the period of mourning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1010.0,1030.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: And this reminds me somehow of one of our training subjects. We had also a training program for professionals, and one of them was a rabbi, a very, very sophisticated rabbi, who had the experience, and it shows beautifully how somehow life and death is interconnected, meaningful in its experience. He went through a very, very profound, very painful session, where he was dying and was being born, struggling. And then wrote an account, retrospectively telling about the session, and also how it changed his life. And he ends this account referring to Leonardo da Vinci, when he was dying, he said, he was reviewing his very rich life, he said, \"I thought I was living, I was only preparing myself to die.\" And this rabbi said, \"Well I could make a paraphrase on that. I could say about my session that I thought I was dying, but I was only preparing myself to live.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1030.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well that brings up an interesting point to me, is whether or not the attitude toward death is something which in some sense is culturally shaped. And I was wondering, Rinpoche, in your own work in Tibet, whether in the people you worked with who were on the verge of death, they had been prepared in some way to approach that as a rite of passage or whether you encountered exactly the same problem of people coming without any real sense of what was happening, and great fear or anxiety or whatever?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1093.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I think the basic approach is that a person has experiencing constant loose ends in life, or struggle of all kinds. And usually the attitude we taking is those things are just challenge we should overcome, and we should make our life very smooth, and so there's no sharp corners left. And I think that's the one of the starting point, is that not acceptance of death comes from that. And in fact those loose ends are death of particular continual work, particular experiences that you want to hang on to what you can't do so. And that seems to be the one of the starting point, in terms of death experience, which is exemplified in the Buddhist training work: is to begin with how to view your life as a very precious and important vehicle for learning. One has to understand that, one has to appreciate that. And having done so, then also you realize how impermanent it is, how potential this interruption might take place. And not only interruption on the sense of you might die one day, but there is a continually interruptions takes place. So this-- I think it's sort of creates kind of-- have to create this kind of tension between the two. And that the richness and the powerfulness of life is also important, and then also death is imminent at the same time. Otherwise you'll be just-- if you be just told about the presence of death and then somehow one begin to find that the living doesn't become important; just waiting to be died, kind of very simply, very naively. So I think that's question of the tension is created, that the preciousness of living, or joy or whatever you like to call it, *and* the imminent death coming, which creates kind of preparation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1126.0,1284.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course then person would also study the descriptions of death, at some point, actual physical death. And traditionally you studied around about when person is age of forty or so, and in many cases they study earlier, level of their age. And just to study the mechanics, how it affects your physical body, how it affects your psychological state. And how death is occurred. And that seem to be very important. At the same time not to make it easy exit particularly, but to become familiarize, and have sort of complete command of important life experience that happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1284.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And somehow things doesn't end that level, but then you continue, and you study the after-death experience, which is bardo experience, which is also studied. That very vivid descriptions of what happens to you after actually left physical body and there's a continual state of consciousness which functions. Which is also connected with the state of dream level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1338.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That I think there is general pattern of people's life is that there is-- everything is prepared, in some sense. That such preparation brings that there is no shock, or no sudden unexpected things happen to you so then you might lose control. So there is that kind of, I suppose, basic awareness which goes on with the basic Buddhist practice of meditation, development of awareness, mindfulness. Which also has the element of understanding impermanent quality as well. That the whole seem to be a state of one consciousness there. That life doesn't become sort of cheap, and all kinds of richness, including the disintegration of your life, at the same time. And so the idea is being that all the areas been studied and worked, and understood properly on a personal level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1368.0,1446.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: I know that both Stan and Joan, you've both used The Tibetan Book of the Dead in your treatment procedure and it-- in what way for instance would that be useful? Or how do you use it when you--\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: I don't think we are using actually, you know, The Tibetan Book of the Dead. But we've found many, many parallels between the experiences that people have in psychedelic sessions and, you know, the descriptions of the bardos.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: And the descriptions of clinical death.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Yes, Rinpoche mentioned the importance of the subjective experiences of actual death. This is something that has been very neglected in psychiatry, psychology. And now recently much more attention has been paid to it. We have many individuals who actually died clinical death, or experienced near death experience. And they came back and they're able to describe, you know, what the nature of this experience is. In terms of actual use of The Tibetan Book of the Dead we use some of the principles but we modify, you know, for the Western patients or persons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1446.0,1517.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: And how some of those experiences been, for instance that people you worked with who have actually experienced clinical death and come back, what do they describe?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Shall I talk about Dean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1517.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It would take too long to give you the entire history of this particular individual, so I'll just describe, briefly, what happened just before his clinical death and what happened-- his account of what happened during his clinical death and the-- his subsequent death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1531.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The individual's name was Dean. He was twenty-nine years old. An Afro-American. He'd been diagnosed as having cancer, indeed what-- as the physicians deemed as terminal cancer, with-- at the time of diagnosis with the prognosis of two weeks. In other words he had two weeks to live. That was six years prior to our encounter with him. So that gives you some ideas of how inadequate Western medicine can be in terms of making judgements in terms of life trajectory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1553.0,1591.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had three LSD experiences with us, all very different, all very interesting, and extremely helpful for him in many different dimensions. As the time of his death was drawing near, the ureter from his one remaining kidney occluded, was infected and occluded, and he was no longer able to pass urine. And essentially he was being poisoned by his own body toxins. The situation was extremely problematic, because people who are black, people who are dying of cancer, and people who have been hospital addicts, we see the kind of treatment frequently in hospital settings, which is highly problematic, as you can imagine. He was hospitalized because of the uremia and his wife was confronted with the fact, by the surgeons, that if they did not operate he would die, if they did operate he would probably die, so what did she want to do? It took her several days to work through her decision, because his death was indeed imminent, and finally she did decide to consent for the operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1591.0,1671.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Surgery was to be scheduled on the eighth day of his uremic condition. And the surgeons never showed up at the scheduled hour. The following morning at about five am we received a phone call from his wife, and she said that Dean had called her, and in a state of desperation said Stan and Joan must come to the hospital, he's just seen a vision of Stan. So we immediately went to the hospital, and there were many family members there; some of whom we had not met, they had come from South Carolina, from Pittsburg. And Dean by this time was very comatose and not able to verbalize, was barely breathing, his pulse was thready, his eyes were glazed, his face essentially had the mask of death on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1671.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Stan and I walked into this room with the grieving relatives around the dying man's bed, and I saw that the wife was quite upset, and so I moved over and held the wife in one arm and held Dean in the other arm. And I began to talk to him very, very quietly, almost like a mantram, about some of the experiences that he had had in sessions. Experiences that he felt had really transformed his view of death, experiences where he had moved out of a place of darkness, as though he were covered or engulfed in a black cloud, and moved into a space of light and expansion in oneness with God. And I just started speaking about this in a sort of repetitive way, from about six o'clock in the morning until ten. And by this time he was right on the verge of clinical death and we heard a rattling and a cart was being wheeled in by orderlies and he was being taken off to surgery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1726.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From the point of view of us around the bed -- and I think Dean -- we had essentially made our peace with the transformation that was going on with him. And it was a great kind of a shock to have this intervention coming, and we felt just helpless for several seconds, as he was being wheeled away. Because there is a state of being just prior to death that the survivors or the loved ones experience, where they finally accepted the imminence of this individual's death, and that experience had essentially been gone through. And then out of nowhere the surgical intervention. He went into surgery essentially dead, and was resuscitated. On the operating table, he had two cardiac arrests, and then was sent into the intensive care unit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1794.0,1850.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Late in that afternoon Stan and I went back to the hospital to see Dean, and he was just coming out of anesthesia. And [laughs] it was just his funny little brown eye with a sparkle of life looked up at me and said -- and you know he had tubes in his nose and you know, he was intubated everywhere, you can imagine -- and funny little eye looked up and said, \"Joanie, you changed your dress.\" And from my point of view as an objective observer, here was a man who was in a comatose state, who was not able to receive any kind of communication from the outside, was essentially in a vegetative state, and this just shocked to-- yeah, I couldn't believe it. And so I asked him, I said \"Well Dean, can you remember anything else that happened in the morning?\" And he says, \"Of course.\" And then he went on to describe a tri-level experience, which he was going through simultaneously. He was able in that state to experience objective reality. In fact at one point as he was giving me details to prove that he knew -- and I had a little cassette recording machine on, because it's important for us as researchers to document this kind of thing -- he described what people wearing and who was standing around the bed. So he was very much there in terms of objective reality. And then at one point he said to me that he even saw tears streaming down my face, which indeed was true and I felt sort of almost humiliated or embarrassed [laughs] because I, you know, didn't want him to interpret his tear-- my tears in a way that would be deleterious for him. But he said it in almost an almost a joc-- a sort of soft, jocular way. He said that he was responding very much to what I was saying. What I was saying was essentially moving out of the cloudness of darkness-- of the cloud of darkness into the light. And when he felt the light coming upon him he was not to be afraid, he was to face the light, to move into the light, and there was nothing to be afraid of, that he had experienced this before. And he told me that he was experiencing that at the same time as I was repeating to him time and time again, you know, this kind of mantrams that I was saying. And he said at that point that he had no fear, that he felt that the experiences in the sessions had trained him to face everything, that whatever happened to him, and that at that point there was a feeling of fear which rose up in him, but he felt that he could move into the light and when he saw the light coming he felt it was coming from without but also from within.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=1850.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then he described a third level of experience which was going on simultaneously. He said, \"Joanie, on the wall opposite the bed there was something like a moving picture. And in that moving picture, I saw the faces of all the people that I killed in Korea. I saw the faces of all the people that I beat up when I was a kid. I saw the faces of everyone that I had ever,\" as he said, \"done wrong to.\" And, you know, from our point of view that was like a last judgment or our karmic review where all of the badness that his sins or his problems were being-- he was being confronted with that. And he smiled in a very sweet way and said, \"Well I don't think I have to go through that one again.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2024.0,2075.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He died, in the eventual sense, a month later. And that death was a very, very smooth and peaceful death. It-- from what we know of the-- we were *not* there at the time of death, we had left Baltimore just before. But from what we know from the nurse's report that the agony, the choking, the fear, was not there. It was just as though he had some-- well in fact he had said to us just before we left Baltimore, he says, \"My biology is shot. I mean, it's just gone. And there's no reason for me to stay here anymore.\" And at the nurse's description of his death, it seemed as though he had actually willed himself to part from his vehicle, from his body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2075.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well is there any way that that kind of experience can be brought into the realm of the living? In the sense that, you know, like, is there any way to really appreciate what Rinpoche was talking about, the loose ends and life, and the discontinuity, and the sense of aliveness that comes from that realization of impermanence, without actually going through a kind of near-death experience? And what would be the vehicles or the practices or whatever that one could use to communicate that?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: I mean if one is cognitive, I mean there are maps for these places as Rinpoche has indicated. There are clinical experiences which Stan and I are collecting. A man named Russell Noyes who's collecting, and others are collecting the subjective accounts of clinical death. But then there are those deeper levels of experience, which are non-cognitive in a sense, which come from discipline, from self-exploration practice. But I feel that the most important process is the process of initiation or rite of passage, where the individual does experience a transformation, in a very profound and gutsy way. I mean you have the maps, they're there cognitively, but while you're going through those rites of transformation, the maps help a little bit [laughs], but the experience is so evocative that you move beyond the maps and you are totally consumed by the experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2125.0,2224.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well one of the things that I remember saying in your lecture was that on LSD a number of people experienced a kind of similarity between the death experience and the birth experience. Which I found intriguing but I'm not sure I really understand what the interrelationship is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2224.0,2240.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: Well, it is an experience where the individual has the feeling that he is dying, but the process of dying is happening within the framework of being born at the same time. So that somehow struggle for life and death is very intimately linked there. And many, many people independently told me that they feel that one level of that this was through re-living of the agony that they experience in the birth canal. As you know this is a very, or can be a very difficult and dangerous situation. Actually babies who die, while they are being delivered, their mothers who die. And there are very easy deliveries and there are many deliveries that are in between, so that it's not an irrelevant situation. So many of us actually, when we are being born we are also dying, or tasting somehow of the process of dying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2240.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as I mentioned before, there is more to the experience of death-rebirth. As we see them in psychedelic sessions, in rites of passage, in temple mysteries, in ecstatic religions, there is much more there than just simple biological encounter with death or reliving of the biological birth. Very frequently we see archetypal levels for example as one facet of this experience. People can experience this dying as encounter with the-- some kind of wrathful deities for example, goddess Kali or Shiva the destroyer. Some of them experience in a mythological framework, of talking about, or identifying with Osiris, and experiencing it very much in a way it was experienced in Egyptian mysteries. Others experienced it as crucifixion, as identification with Christ's death and resurrection. It's one of the fascinating aspects of it, that the archetypal symbology can come from areas that are beyond the educational, cultural, racial background of the individual. You can be-- you can have Judeo-Christian background, and experience the ego death rebirth within the framework of the pre-Columbian religion for example, without knowing previously very much about pre-Columbian cultures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2298.0,2389.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well Rinpoche, would-- how would you describe the bardo state, for instance as it is described in The Tibetan Book of the Dead, in terms of whether that's experienced only after death, or is there in some sense a way in which a bardo experience can occur in one's alive state?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2389.0,2409.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think if you look at it very simple experiential level that whenever there is trouble in life, whenever there's a problem, things doesn't quite go in the way you expected, that a lot of hassles that we go through, a lot of anger, frustration, that we go through, *is* actually fear of death. That your life, the protected life doesn't follow up as it's usually protected-- expected rather. So that, \"I had a bad day today,\" is that hellish and deadly. And they have that kind of things happens always. The reason why we-- for the very reason we say something is bad, something is good -- \"good\" is connected with being alive, and \"bad\" is something that's connected with death actually. That's *constantly* happens in us. And actually we have no idea about it, nobody's been told. But actually that sort of constantly happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2409.0,2482.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the same time in The Tibetan Book of the Dead, in the bardo state, also talks about the actual experience of five types of buddha principles are shown to you, you see them. And you want to-- you don't want to face the intensity of the brilliantness, or the brightness, the dazzling colors coming to you, which is a heavy experience, very strong experience. And instead you would like to retreat into a weak and feeble, somewhat pleasant dark corners, whatever. It's still a person has to relate with death properly, and still trying to be-- trying to alive. And facing life is too bright and dazzling, in fact. And so instead generally when we say the word \"cop out\", is that you are somewhat you can't accept death, but you are still cornering yourself into a potential death, rather than you want to actually face it and live with it and actually work on it. And that kind of experience happens constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2482.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think what happens in the bardo experience of those deities appearing to you is exactly the same manifestation. That your trust, and your inspirations, and your guilt conflict, and sense of punishment, sense of something's done wrong, whatever happens, that sort of jumbled together in a certain experiential way. And in this point this does not have to be particularly-- the deities you see is not particularly literal one, it's sort of cosmic principle. That particular aspect where you-- that you see is seen through, and you're looking at that way. And obviously once your body is gone, you are just a comet of thin air, just fluttering around, in the memory of the past. And you do have a lot of feedbacks then, because you are not preoccupied, you don't have a body to work on, you don't have clothes to wear, you don't have to eat food. And you don't even have a body, but you think you do. And you think you also seeing feedbacks, again and again. And you could go through the whole of the television programs, you're seeing through your life [laughter] and playing back to you. And all the accidents, all the love affairs, and all the fights that you had in your-- when you had the body as solid, it comes back to you. With a sense of constant fear, and at the same time sense of nostalgia, which is a sort of love and hate thing happens constantly. Sort of plays back and forth. And that seem to be evident, like if we're suspended ourselves in a dream, we have the same problem, and same kind of experience. That when you have-- when you say you have nightmare, and you feel that something not quite right with your life, and you be worried about something or other, and you have nightmare coming to you. Those things doesn't just happen haphazardly, but just it's with some kind of reason, some kind of feedback that you had, which you been storing, and your state of mind's been playing back. So that seem to be the bardo experience after death is exactly the same kind of experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2557.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That I think one of the problems that we have is the sense of nonacceptance of the undesirable things. And too much diving into the desirable things. Which both are a nightmare in some sense, and they both are an overdosage of something. Which creates the tension and the problem. And nonacceptance of death is in itself trying to suicide at the same time. And those kind of parallels happens, you know, simultaneously.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Like behind the denial of death is really a fixation or fascination--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fixation, that's right. Precisely, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2703.0,2740.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It's like, I think, finding the parallel between the two of you, and what you're talking about, and what we're talking about, is that it really has to do with attachment. Whether the attachment is born out of fascination, or the attachment is born out of fear.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: And the two places of attachment of course are life and death. And being attached in either of those realms, of course, ends up being very, very heavy, when you start dying. Because the attachment to death of course activates all the fear, the fascination. And the attachment to life activates that need to cling desperately to life, like a person--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In order to defend, it does.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah, that's-- I mean that's in itself is sort of-- again ironically it's a painful birth that you're giving constantly, you know, that you're going through the pain of the death, or the pain of the birth. That you constantly trying to push, so that you could be given birth, you know that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Each moment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Each moment, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's-- there is a contraction as there is a-- as well there's, you know, pulling and pushing, happens, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2740.0,2811.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well is there a way to move beyond that constant tension?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Right. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that isn't seem to be the point here. The point here is that if we don't have that experience, we don't have anything at all to study or to work or to learn. So idea isn't, you know, so you can learn, so you can get rid of it. But I mean this is, you know, everybody has--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Part of the dance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you have a body, if you have pain and pleasure, you know, that's it. That seem to be the what's known as Buddhist tradition as the path itself, is that. Otherwise we have nothing to work on, you know. Like trying to be a painter without brush [laughter], any medium.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Another paradigm which I think is useful, is the paradigm of oscillation between separation and union.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2811.0,2863.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: And the idea that we are moving all the time, every microsecond of our existence; either, you know, on the cellular level or the atomic level, the molecular, the cellular level, on the terms of our total human organism, in terms of the universe. You know, the idea of expansion and differentiation, and then moving into, you know, the state of separation and then coming back into the state of union, the state of oneness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: And then the permutations along the transition, or the trajectory between union and separation is-- are all the various states of being that we experience as humans. It may-- it's part of the dance really. And without that I don't think, you know, that there would be a universe, or a universal mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2863.0,2916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's-- I think lot of those things are a question of conceptual category. That we been brought up, and once you have the-- all the conceptual categories are supposed to be-- supposed to designed to make yourself more sharp and precise and smart and intelligent, but somehow the-- it doesn't work that way. Unfortunately something's gone wrong there. That those conceptual pigeonholing become a way to defend yourself so you don't have to look for it. You have a pre-prepared, prefabricated bookcase, already you have. And I think that's one of the problems, that people find very difficult to face any kind of challenge, or sort of give properly, and take properly. And you're afraid of giving too much, you're afraid of-- you feel guilty about taking too much, you know. And when there is, there is no union there, it's [laughs] it's-- everybody is freezed, or petrified somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Also the, you know, cognition, or intellect being a screen against experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, that's right. Yes, everything's very, very convenient, and somehow organized by somewhere, somebody. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=2916.0,3011.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: But in the process-- [laughs; laughter] I see. I think that one of the things that is important, in my understanding of the relationship between the shaman and the initiate, is the process of the teaching. And the teaching provides the cognition, and the cognition is marginally helpful at the time of experience. But what it does, it-- on one level has the possibility of making-- or *reducing* the resistance to the experience. If you have the cosmography, as one-- as an initiate would be taught the cosmography, the territory that he will perhaps go through, in the process of initiation. When he's going through it, intellect doesn't help very much, it can impede it. But usually in the process of initiation or in these processes of transformation, they're so powerful that intellect is not helpful at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: But it's as though you're a kite in the wind, and somehow there's someone hanging on to that kite string for you. The shaman perhaps. In the most tentative way, but at least he's there. And you're letting the winds just blow you about and flowing with whatever's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3011.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe we should discuss something to the effect of discipline, and practice. Which is equally seem to be the same kind of thing, if you look at from a confused way. But, you know, I mean, who said they are positive? You know, how come it is happens to be that the right thing seem to hit the right target so to speak? And what's the kind of-- I mean what's the function of the whole thing, what happens there? And you discuss a lot about ceremony, and traditional visions of various esoteric teachings that, you know, are apt to twentieth century person. And what kind of reassurance, or do we need reassurance, or do we have anything so that those two doesn't become like the rest of it, you know? It's-- there is very delicate kind of thing happening there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3102.0,3168.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: We found some very interesting things in the psychedelic work related to this. One of them was that many people, because the nature of the experiences was so religious, so mystical, so spiritual, whatever term you want to use, that for the first time the drug experience opened them to these areas. And then they had repeatedly these experiences in psychedelic sessions. And when they came down to everyday existence, they experience disappointment. You know Ram Dass is talking about this, as the most outspoken speaker, for this. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] But you can have very overwhelming, very ecstatic, very interesting experiences. And then you return to your everyday life. And it's very difficult for some people to somehow remain connected with those areas. And so quite a few people whom I worked with, and other people whom I met in my life, are somehow opened up through the drug experience. But sooner or later they started feeling the need to replace it by systematic discipline, by something less dramatic, you know, but more effective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3168.0,3247.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then the other observation that we made was in the alcoholic study, where alcoholic patients were undergoing psychedelic therapy. And we were trying to find out whether having the experience of cosmic unity, or death-rebirth experience will help them, you know, with the problem, drinking problem. And we found that it was quite effective actually, more effective than any other treatment we know. The recovery rate was about fifty percent. But there were still quite a few patients who by our standards had a profound-- religious, profound, mystical experience, and still resumed drinking. So we actually joked among us that the Baltimore-Washington area has more drunken mystics than any other place in the world. [Laughter] So we were interested in, you know, what was the difference between these two categories of people -- those who had a religious experience, and it really made a difference in their life, and those who had the experience, and, you know, two weeks, two months later, they were just about where they were before? And it was exactly this: those people who didn't have lasting benefit from the session were those who felt that the experience did it all for them. I mean it's, you know, \"I am-- I'm sort of healed. I'm helped. I had this wonderful vision, and there's nothing else I have to do.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: [Laughs] Sort of very materialistic approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3247.0,3333.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: And when we looked into the successful patients, what happened, they felt that the session showed them the way. I mean, you know, they were getting an idea about how they should conduct their life, how they should approach their life. And then when they came down from the session they felt it's going to be hard work to put this to work. And, you know, they started trying to restructuring their life, so that they somehow actively kept in touch with the positive aspects of the experience. Some of my patients actually ended in yoga or in zen meditation, various forms of spiritual practice. And they-- when you talk with them now they feel that they're grateful for the opening of their mind, that was a result of the drug experience. But they don't think that the drugs did it all by themselves. That you really have to combine somehow rigorous practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3333.0,3394.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, what you're saying is that there's need for kind of jerk, and sort of some kind of imposition, if we could use an even stronger word like that. Is that a person had to be thrown into the lion's jaw. Unless that happened, that they still would like to retreat back in their convenient retreat. And I think that's maybe the point there, as that the ceremony or the sacred art is by no means soothing. And it's somewhat at the beginning unfriendly, because it trying to tear your-- certain part of your neurotic aspect apart, which is heavily glued together, whether you are in a state of whatever, enlightenment or whatever, buddha nature. And there is a need for strong-- like putting through a washing machine, and recycling the whole thing through. And then there is some kind of relief. Which is not quite at the same level as banging your head on the wall, and you feel pain and afterwards you feel better because you don't bang your head on the wall [laughter]. But it's something much more profound than that, and that seem to be the point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3394.0,3500.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think when we talk about a mystical experience -- which is a valid experience and it universal, common to all spiritual traditions -- but the people have a feeling of that you don't want to admit, but there might-- this might be the way to create honorable resignation. So you go through a sort of blanket training process. You are fucked up at the beginning, you go through that, and when you come at the end you feel okay. So there's no actual surrendering is done anymore. And not visibly -- maybe done, you know, word, or whatever. You know, deceptively. So I think a lot of people are looking for that kind of thing, that you don't have to put yourself on the spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3500.0,3567.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It's like creating a psychic opening, and those individuals who sustain the opening would go through many, many changes, would be much more vulnerable, would experiencing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: --would be experiencing a lot of pain and suffering but also experience joy and ecstasy. But the fact is that there was an opening wherein there was a cycling of experiencing and information. And then there are those individuals who have the psychic opening through the drug, but af-- they think, again, as you were saying earlier, materialistically, like, \"That's it.\" And then it just closes up and the resistance is there. And there's no way to get in. There's-- they become again defended individuals, and leave that state of vulnerability, a state of submission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3567.0,3620.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: So in a sense, what we're saying then, is that death is occurring all the time, to the extent that one retreats constantly from the life experience, by trying to defend against loose ends or failure or continuity, or whatever, you know. I mean is that a fair statement?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: [Laughs] What are we saying Duncan?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well I'm not sure, I just took a hack at it there. I mean it seems like one way to make, you know, like, the experience of death alive is to not see it, as you pointed out, as like the ultimate failure or just physical death alone, but in the terms that you've been talking about it -- as a way of continually sort of meeting the moment, rather than defending against it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3620.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It's like a sort of simultaneous existence, you know -- death and life, experiencing it every second of every moment, simultaneously. Instead of thinking, \"I'm alive now and I'm going to be dead then,\" you know, in that kind of sequential linear form. It's a simultaneous experience that we get into, when you have that psychic opening. I mean not even *when* you have it -- we have it all the time, but it's the awareness of it which we're talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3666.0,3697.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: One of the most important things we found out is that the anticipation of death, how horrible death will be, is really worse than the process of death itself. And what we are trying to somehow communicate to the patients is that it's important to approach every minute, every day, your life as it comes, and not to be really focusing on the future. And if we can do it, it seems to be very, very helpful in that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3697.0,3729.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Oh, I think we've arrived at a moment where we have to close our discussion.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou've been listening to Open Secret, a series of discussions that are being recorded in Boulder, Colorado at Naropa Institute. And tonight we've been talking about life, death, and dying, with Joan Halifax-Grof, Stanislav Grof, and Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. I'd like to thank you all very much. Good night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3729.0,3756.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: POST-SHOW CHATTING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] night. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: I had to choose one of the three.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Talk about timing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's just right timing actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: How are we doing?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: We're just-- no, we're just right, four thirty-five [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: There's a possibility that [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Why? She left? I think she's here.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Is she here?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3756.0,3785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40405/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Well that was fun. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can go home.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: Yeah, I just, you know, really hate to leave, because I-- there are some things I don't understand exactly-- a lot of things. [Laughs] It's really-- it's really been far out.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: We could go check on that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOAN HALIFAX-GROF: It's like, \"Thank you and good night, and may the good news be yours.\" [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n        \r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=3785.0,3840.896"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740805VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL:\nTomorrow is Body and Mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=47.395,50.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then on Wednesday\nis the God and Morality one --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=50.66,53.01"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Frederick [UNCLEAR: Strang?],\nJake Jepson,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=53.01,55.995"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brother Doyle,\nand David.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=55.995,57.42"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Friday is\nthe Man-Woman thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=57.42,61.09"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then next Tuesday\nis Education,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=61.09,65.57"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about Naropa\na little bit --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=65.57,67.47"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ben Weems and Roger Patchett\nfrom C.U.,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127#t=67.47,69.38"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76092/file/167127/transcript/40406/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as John Baker\nand John 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