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Trust in oneself is essential in order to communicate with a teacher. Trust in the sense of openness. Intellect, or clear-seeing, is also important. At first, one experiences just glimpses of these qualities. One cannot begin a journey on the Buddhist path without devotion, which includes devotion to oneself as well as the teacher. Devotion as relating to the world and experiencing basic sanity. \u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Heart of the Buddha","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03","BOOK: Empowerment","SRCBOOK: 1999 Lineage and Devotion Sourcebook"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eExcerpts from all four talks in seminar are edited into one article, published in:\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eBOOK: THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA: Chapter 4: Devotion\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e-- from \u0026lt;a href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-heart-of-the-buddha-725.html\"\u0026gt;Shambhala Publications\u0026lt;/a\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e-- from \u0026lt;a href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u0026gt;Shambhala Publications\u0026lt;/a\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eBOOK: EMPOWERMENT (Vajradhatu Publications, out-of-print)\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u0026lt;br\u0026gt;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eSRCBOOK: 1999 LINEAGE AND DEVOTION SOURCEBOOK (out-of-print)\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDec 13 2019 to Nov 18 2020 Transcribing: Julia McKaig Checking: Mary Beth Kean, Ella Milligan Final Proof: Matilda Perks Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eNecessity of discipline and a teacher who is a spokesperson of that particular discipline or tradition. Trust in oneself is essential in order to communicate with a teacher. Trust in the sense of openness. Intellect, or clear-seeing, is also important. At first, one experiences just glimpses of these qualities. One cannot begin a journey on the Buddhist path without devotion, which includes devotion to oneself as well as the teacher. Devotion as relating to the world and experiencing basic sanity.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/239/050/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1711876202","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1711876175_19730813VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":4047.04653,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/239/050/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1711876202","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/239/050/original/1711876175_19730813VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1711876177","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4047.04653,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730813VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730813VCTR1-PublicSeminar-1973-KCL-TrueMeaningOfDevotion-Talk04]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is talk four of the True Meaning of Devotion seminar, given at Tail of the Tiger, August, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=0.0,16.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you look back at what we have discussed already, there should be a pattern of some basic continuity of need for devotion. Also need for discipline at the same time. We could say that any spiritual development, if it's true spirituality without spiritual materialism, sense of associating with a particular tradition or discipline is absolutely important. And that discipline-- in order to associate with such discipline, we have to have someone who is the spokesman of it, and somebody who had personally achieved and practiced and the practices have worked and accomplished. So, therefore having a human being, human teacher, spokesman of the lineage, of the teachings are absolutely important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=16.0,134.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also there seem to be some necessary for trusting in oneself, so that you are able to communicate, you're able to relate with the spokesman of the teachings. The obstacle to that is unable to relate, or unable to develop devotion is that we find that expectations are obstacles. Expectations or wishful thinking in terms of that you have a tremendous strong sense of goal orientation and sense of everything should be done accurately in order to be saved. Then such attitude seem to become extremely dangerous or impossible to develop. The sense of expectation and sense of ambition is a blinding factor in your clarity. And also that is obstacle -- our blockage for openness. Openness cannot develop with expectations, preconceptions. Any kind of concept is therefore regarded as a cloudy filter that prevents your seeing through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=134.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But all of those things are not necessarily regarded as that a person should develop them absolutely perfectly, constantly, all the time. If they have developed such thing then obviously person doesn't need further teachings. But the starting point is that there seem to be some glimpse of generosity, glimpse of openness, glimpse of absence of expectations with occasional clouding over it. But at least if there's a gap, and if this whole thing doesn't become one big struggle -- too much ambitious struggle -- and if there's some gap of letting go, of openness and that seem to be the best way of starting. And the relationship to *that*, also expecting or respecting oneself, the chaos or the development, whatever one's go through, and all of them are regarded as a workable situation, at the basic working base, absolutely necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=263.0,344.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the beginning in the hinayana level the sense of emergency situation; that need to talk to somebody who is in the vicinity, somebody who is available on the spot. And in the mahayana level, somebody who not only cures the extraordinary symptoms in emergency situations but also somebody who relates with you as a friend, ongoing relationship. That friendship continues until attainment of enlightenment. In the vajrayana level, that not only you are relating with a friend but you are relating with a master samurai -- and you as a student, novice samurai -- who's training you and encourages you to leap and take a chance, cut through hesitations and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=344.0,422.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But all of those relationship situations need, needless to say again, is trust. And trust in the sense of trusting oneself, that one is a worthy person and therefore that reflection is the friend that you have found as well. So a sense of basic trust is-- seem to be extremely important. And trust without hope and fear. Just a simple naked trust, pure trust. That is, as I've mentioned already, such experience are momentary experience but still seem to be necessary to develop at least attitude intellectually -- intellectual attitude -- trying to develop intellectual attitude towards that direction. That there is-- even though one is unable to open completely but at least a willingness to open intellectually, that openness is a very important thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=422.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it seems that intellect plays extremely important part here. It's quite different from-- the idea of intellect is quite different from the ordinary idea of philosophical speculation. But \"intellect\" in this case is \"clear-seeing\", seeing through the clearly. That there is a real sense of precision. And often what happens is that when we're trying to recapture that glimpse of precision, it fades away. But it is necessary to just work with that glimpse of precision, intellect, which enables us able to see the need for openness and so forth. And such glimpse arises -- disown it, rather than hang onto it, trying to recreate it. So that some point we begin to develop confident in ourselves, that intellect is *ours*. And it is not foreign element you are introducing to your system. It wasn't given to you, but it was woken up. That kind of intellectual understanding, intellectual glimpse -- intellect -- seem to play extremely important part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=498.0,587.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So on the whole, that this journey with spiritual friend and this journey without spiritual materialism is an honest journey and sensible and openness. As long as there's a sense of nakedness -- that the unclothed by preconceptions and aggressions and passions and all kinds -- that student is a good student. At least that student is free from spiritual materialism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=587.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in many cases, such openness and such precise insight bring unexpected fear. Possibly a sense of being lost or a sense of overexposed, sense of vulnerability comes up. But that is just a simple sign of that ego's losing its grip on its territory, rather than anything further threatening. When we talk about threat, threat can only happen to ego. Because if we have something to lose, we feel threatened. If we don't have anything to lose, we are not threatened. So we have something to lose which is our dear life, ego, and feel threatened. And such glimpse of threat is also tremendous steppingstone and working base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=661.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the whole, that we cannot begin our journey on the path without devotion. Devotion to ourselves and devotion to our friend, which also inspires devotion to the teachings as well. That ordinary, very ordinary and unconfused devotion; not expecting a miracle, magic, but a general sense of that you are actually relating to the world outside of you. And world is no longer threatening. Also, world is no longer big joke. Somewhat, *real* world. It is so real, that's why in the traditional language it is called \"mirage\" or \"illusion\". It's because world is so real, therefore it seems to be *too* real -- it is known as \"mirage\". Rather than that the world is shifting and transparent non-existence, that we are suspended in space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=765.0,873.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that experience is called experience of basic sanity; that seeing world as very ordinary and simple and direct, without any further fabrications put over it. So the devotion is way of bringing us down to earth, and able to relate with the basic sanity of the teachings and all kinds of challenges that your friend put out. But these are also a way of bringing us down rather than any further demands made on you to play mental trickery.\r\n\r\n\r\nI think that's it, more or less. We could have short discussions before you leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=873.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, what is the relationship between viewing the world as real in terms of basic sanity and shunyata, when, I mean, it seems like one is prior to the other?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Shunyata experience and ...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: The experience you've just described of basic sanity, of the world isn't a big joke, neither is it threatening; it's just very, very real, direct and simple.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That seems to be shunyata. I mean, shunyata and emptiness is absence of dualistic wall, dualistic barrier. So, if the veils of dualistic barrier has been removed, then things become more precise, more clear -- at the level of emptiness is being form. At the beginning, the removing of the dualistic veil is \"form is empty\" and when the veil is removed then \"emptiness becomes form.\" Comes back again, which is somewhat yogacharan mentality. But it seems that if you're going to discuss shunyata in the early stage, that we can only speak those language which is much more close to our own state of being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=931.0,1040.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: I didn't understand what you meant by that it's empty-- it's so real that it's an illusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well generally when we see a mirage we know it is mirage. This creates so much communication with you experiencing mirage as it is, even the rest of the surroundings of the mirage becomes unreal because mirage is so much *there*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Because it's unusual, I mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because it's unusual and because it's difficult to relate with, it's shifty. So same as the world is constantly changing, obviously, and difficult to grasp. There's all kinds of manifestations of this earth is happening. Our projections are changing constantly. Depends on our state of mind. Whereas if you could relate with that shiftiness, the changing process, then it becomes much more real than something that's solid, which doesn't change.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So, it seems that you'd be relating to it from a point of view further back, somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you are approaching from a different profile altogether, rather than world should be real and therefore it shouldn't move. If you have a basis, some kind of handle to hold onto, then that destroys the reality of world. So it is from entirely different approach, -- but *real* one. [laughs] It's like people say, \"It's too good to be true\". You know, \"it's too valuable, too good to be true\". That's it. It's the world is so illusion-- illusory, therefore it's very real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1040.0,1197.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, last night I believe you spoke of fuzzy-mindedness as a way of avoiding judgment of the self. And today you speak of precision and it seems contradictory. And so I wondered, what is the place of precision and what is the place of fuzziness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's precisely the same thing what we've been saying. Is when you have a sense of precision, you begin to see the shiftiness of experiences as well, at same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So that in a sense, you don't judge yourself when you're a truly precise person.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no need for it, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And what about when you're fuzzy? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that *is* being fuzzy. [laughter] That's from another approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You're talking about being truly related to what it is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Which is unable to label it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1197.0,1267.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What is the devotion to yourself? You said that it was necessary to have devotion to the guru and devotion to yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's a question of that basic trust in oneself; that you are worthy person to receive teachings. That how neurotic may be, but nevertheless there is some continuity's happening, some steppingstones is happening. So in other word, if you constant condemn yourself, then you can't even develop devotion, because you feel you are kept absolutely beneath everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So in a way that's accepting the shiftiness of yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As a solid ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Hmm!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1267.0,1337.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What did you mean, the last thing that you said? I understood when you said about relating to the shiftiness, but I didn't understand the statement, \"the world is so illusory that it's real\". [laughter] Do you mean relating to it as illusory is more real than relating to it as solid?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, we can call it the-- relating the world as illusory is that you are going along with its change. So you able to keep up with the speed and shiftiness. Which is usually called illusory is something that changes, kind of hallucination that changes over again and again. Whereas the ego's version, or the small mind's version of world is that world shouldn't change, it should be solid and tangible and definite. And that is in fact the distorted version of illusion -- that real illusion changes but our expectation of illusion is something that they should be solid, something you can hang onto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1337.0,1451.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I find the whole question of openness and trusting in yourself is a very complicated issue, because you can end up really fooling yourself and basically all you were doing is indulging. Like you can say \"I trust myself\" and proceed to be what you think is open, whereas what's really happening is you're just making a way out for yourself to not really make a decision about something. I don't quite know how to deal with that. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think the question of trusting oneself is trust without hope. That when you trust, generally you expect something in return, sense of security. And then that obviously will be indulgency [sic], because you are manufacturing your own nest, and you are expecting that nest will perform its functional thing for you. Whereas the trust does not become a nest or secure ground, but just being right there and fully experiencing things as they are and even including the shiftiness. And there's no hope involved.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So trusting is not security, is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not at all. Absolutely different. Absolutely different.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Because there's, I can see a tendency to sort of-- there's a kind of security if you trust yourself. You can get into that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but that's the quite different. That trust has nothing to do with security. In fact, the security is obstacle to trust, real trust. The trust is sort of *being* right there, rather than a pragmatic situation of anything. \"Unconditioned trust\", we could call it, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1451.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You mentioned the idea of when you have a open-- when you feel openness, oftentimes, you know, it creates a great, you know, surprise and fear within yourself. And also I feel sometimes a, you know, a reaction of aggression and of anger. You know, if something-- if something is-- feels flat--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --or dull, or has that kind of openness in it. And part of the fear-- if you have this-- so it's not just like a fear, which is sort of a self-contained thing, but aggressive outgoing thing, where, you know, just a feeling-- a feeling of anger. That frightens me, because to relate to that you feel you might lose, you know, lose control of yourself, and, you know, it would be an outgoing thing as opposed to just a self-contained thing, in a sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, the fear that we've been discussing is-- has different degrees of threat. It could be a mild sense of desolate situation, a sense of insecure and naked up-- until up to the point of that you're really losing your identity, your being. It has different degrees, it depends on how much security you are working against with, of ego's security.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How much you're challenging?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, how much ground, solid ground you have. When you have more solid ground, the fear becomes more dramatic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And if there's less solid ground, then just pure sense of emptiness, desolateness. And some point even that fear becomes a very romantic, beautiful thing. Like reading song of Milarepa; that he is literally fall in love to the solitude, that it is as if his honeymoon. That he praise the vicinity, and how beautiful, peaceful, quiet and how desolate it is -- you know, it's fantastic. So you have a long range of different degree of loneliness or sense of losing grip. But I don't think there's any danger involved, particularly, unless you have create your own danger and you can freak out because you might lose your ground. The technique seem to be is just go along with the fear and not trying to go against it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1590.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: This period of the shake of the ego and coming of the fear, when the ego regains its foothold, there's a feeling of satisfaction that the fear is gone away. And so it seems that *that* position is what's right, because the ego is contented. Is there any way of-- in the longer-- in the deeper perspective it's the other way around. Is there any way of dealing with the reassertion of the egos, so that you can crush it when it tries to reassert itself in the middle of the terror?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seem to be a very dangerous game, actually. And like kind of setting up a trap for ego; but on the process setting your trap, you become the ego yourself, you catch yourself in it. So the idea is -- what I've been saying is -- if there's a glimpse of openness, absence of ego, and let it be that way, but not try to continue. In fact, disown it. And if ego reasserts itself, let it be that way. But start again rather than trying to cut through, trying to stamp on it whenever reassertion comes -- that is, you're reinforcing ego, in fact. You know, you are creating further enemy. So as long as ego becomes an enemy, villain, then you are reinforcing it, rather than ego is a relative reference point of openness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is that like an attitude of disinterestedness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, just, yeah sort of, but in the positive sense. You know, ego's not a big obstacle, but ego's a working base. In fact, without existence of ego, there wouldn't be any teachings or any way out of it either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1771.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, last night you implied that when a student is ready or when a person is ready, the teacher automatically appears. Is that [INAUDIBLE WORDS]? And could you talk about how that would happen? What the mechanism would be here [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it would be-- I think it would be too-- we are setting up some kind of like a study of behavior of certain wild animals. If you gone into the details, there's no fixed notion of anything, particularly. It's a question of that if a person is ready and have been working very hard, that there will be a-- that means the person is-- person's sharpness of intelligent is being, you know, heightened. So you can't miss anything because you are taking more interest in phenomenal world -- therefore including the right teacher and the right situation appears. But if he have a-- trying to make it into a kind of archeological survey of the whole thing, I don't think it works. Because then that gives you possible further tricks, how to find the right teacher if you have the right state of being. It becomes a sort of \"hunting the guru\" type thing. So there isn't really definite thing, but it seem to be depends on your-- one's openness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: That's what I'm asking. Are there lands where there are no teachers? Or is it just a--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are there what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Are there places where there are no teachers? Or is the guru universal, or [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, doesn't seem to be a place without teacher. Because if there's a spiritual interest, and if there-- if person is turning his interest towards that direction, that means that some environmental situation is happening there as well. So there will be somebody, somewhere. [laughter] It's like if there is food, there will be flies. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Crumbs. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=1920.0,2127.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well, sort of built into that question is sort of a deeper question of-- I would call free will or predetermination. It-- because, like, you might have a need for a teacher, and there might not be a teacher around. And you won't know that's what you need because it's not there. Or otherwise, the question of whether it's outside you and *knows* that you're ready, you know, it's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a question of if person had already inclination to relate with a teacher -- if there's already *inclination* rather than that you feel starved by it without teachers -- that inclination automatically invites some spiritual friend. And of course free-will plays very important part to save yourself from charlatan. That, if you have free-will that you have also a critical attitude of what you have -- friends that you met, as well, at the same time. So the teacher is not necessarily recommended by your friends, your relatives, but had to be first-handing account -- first-hand. It might be introduced by your friends or relatives, but once you come to terms with it, relating with it, with the teacher, that you should have a personal opinion of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Isn't it possible that you could have this need and everyone around you is not relating on that level, and so you're continually asking for a teacher, and no one has the answer out there? So that the need isn't met. I mean, I know they say when the pupil is ready the teacher arrives, but is it possible that the other situation could exist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It depends on how -- the manner of question that you're asking. That if you're asking impossible questions there wouldn't be anyone -- including Christ or Buddha wouldn't be able to answer either, you know, the greatest teacher in the world, whoever they are. And somewhat you have to be sensible yourself. Your question had to have some realistic question, you know, rather than imaginary looking for somebody who came from utopian world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=2127.0,2335.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Who's the food and who are the flies? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Have a good guess. [laughs; laughter] What you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, \"flies\" is plural. I guess that's us. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Flies\" is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Plural.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Plural.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, I see. [laughter; laughs] Well, that somehow makes whole thing's very busy and extremely hungry. But how about the magnetism of the food? Which is very riped, and smelly -- maybe at the stage of being smelly [laughter] and just about to decay, which sends out messages of whatever. And flies from miles and miles would sense that and perches on it. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=2335.0,2440.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: You mentioned that one has to make a decision about whether a teacher is a charlatan or not, and that free will is very important in that process. It would seem then that some form of suspicion was also an appropriate part of the process. And that would seem to imply that the experience of suspiciousness is valuable, in some sense, in relation to the path. I know in the other-- in one of the other talks you spoke of the amrita which lodges in the heart and becomes molten iron if you feel the doubt. How do you get from that valuable suspiciousness to the molten iron? And I-- it seems to me that-- I mean, that's a leap in a way, but can one, for example, treat-- make such a leap from any willed position at all? That is, there has to be some deeply intuitive reason for engaging in that leap.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see, I think that's the suspicion and a kind of sorting out process is happens at the beginning. And not so much of sorting out the teacher alone, but also sorting out your own motivations. That it is, whether it is a spiritual materialistic nature or whether it is a real, genuine search. And once that sorting out takes place completely, and then you get into the-- committing yourself into whatever, to the practice or whatever. And then, at some point, that suspicion act as a way of cowardness, a very convenient way of copping out. Which is quite different from the original intelligent suspicion which actually led you into that situation. It's like, you know, you choose which school to go, and you have a suspicious attitude of all the schools that you're been through, and you choose one particular school which you feel hundred percent okay. And you go into it, and then you have all the doubts, and once you get into it you don't like the food, or you don't like the masters or the classrooms or your inmates [laughter], and you have all kinds of things happening. But that's copping out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I don't think that's the kind of suspicion that I mean, though. I understand that, you know, somebody would involve themselves with, say, a neurotic repetition of-- it was suggested that trust has nothing to do with security, but I wonder if there is any-- one can say that there's any direct relation between a certain kind of suspicion and trust, thinking it's possible to experience both trust and suspicion at the same time in certain circumstances. You yourself have spoken in this talk about -- I think in this talk -- about a fear which overcomes a person, or overcomes a person by an ego that is being pushed hard.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And I don't know that that fear is all that far from suspicion, or I mean they-- a different term, but perhaps in a different dimension of the same problem. And it occurs evidently in the-- in a later stage in this process.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: So I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: What I'm suggesting is that there is another kind of suspicion that takes place further on. I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean it's, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] because at this seminar there's been a good deal of suspicion released. And I shared in some of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see the point is that suspicion as a medicine, a safeguard, and suspicion as a security at some point. And I wouldn't say that suspicion had to go immediately but there is this suspicion in terms of the indulgency [sic] has to lift up slowly. \"Suspicion\", this case is, we are talking about, if we could use a Buddhist term, it's ego's clinging is suspicion, of a basic twist of ego and that goes on constantly. And that is the-- what's called the web of, you know, ego's neurosis had to be cut through with the sword of Manjushri, so to speak. And that goes on very deeply. And in fact, the-- according to the scriptures that a bodhisattva of tenth bhumi, just before attain enlightenment has a faint suspicion still to the path. It's like a empty perfume bottle still smells perfume in it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that kind of basic security mentality goes on all the time. And it had to be lessened slowly, rather than, you know, that you-- now you been converted, therefore you give up everything, you never know suspicion and even if it comes up it regarded as just irrelevant thing. Which seems to be the problem of that current bhakti yoga trips of all kinds; and if, yeah, if anything comes up in terms of suspicion, is just regarded as a thought, not even a valid thing anymore. You know, \"those are evil influences, you should seal it off\" which makes people into a computerized robots. So there is that kind of room for confusion. That more confusion there is, that much there is heightened, you know, the opposite of it as well. So less confusion and then there's more struggle -- *less* struggle, I mean -- and more relaxed situation happens until attainment of enlightenment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It would seem that the suspicion continues in some form or other but as a person comes more and more to, how should I put it, embody the dharma--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --the suspicion wanes insofar as that has occurred.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. yeah, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I guess I don't embody too much dharma. [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, let's try, shall we? [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: [laughs] I'll try.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=2440.0,2893.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: What's vajra hell like? [laughter; murmuring]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] What's vajra [laughter] vajra hell? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I forgot that I promised you to tell that.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [laughter; murmuring]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: According to the scriptures, that vajra hell is almost eternal -- *almost* eternal. That apparently you can achieve, like, equivalent of enlightenment, which is a constant ongoing situation without any boundaries so therefore there's no question of regressing. And vajra hell is the opposite, without, you know, developing. Is like the ultimate that one achieves egohood completely, rudrahood, egohood, egomaniac -- whatever you like to call it -- in its highest form. And you enter yourself in a state of some kind of absorption of yourself, complete absorption. And there's a sense of constant pain begin to develop. That pain is not from outside, but pain comes from inside and begin to eat you out. But there's nothing to be eaten out. And, you know, finally done, completely done and got rid of the stuff that be eaten out. But there's constant stuff churns out. So the things begin to eat from inside out constantly, as well. So there is perpetual terror -- or \"terror\" is not quite word -- perpetual ingrown suffering. Rather than even it's not level of terror anymore; because terror is momentary, it's dramatic, it is entertainment and occupation, somewhat. But the-- this kind of pain in vajra hell is ongoing pain that constantly growing.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe closest analogies I can come up with is that you are possessed all your body by cancer, and your body doesn't die. But cancer tend to grow up all the time. And when that-- when the-- this particular body is eaten up by cancer, another body grows outside of you and constantly grows out, develops. So it's another form of attainment of some kind. That you are stuck there, out of ego-oriented, heightened achievement. So it is not actually necessarily \"Hell\" as the conventional idea has developed, at certain place that you are end up, but it's your state of being is fixed in some kind of situation. That there's no way out. You can't run away, because it is within you. And that's the-- also the slight glimpse of that is the amrita turns into molten iron. And molten iron never completely destroys but keep up the pain, constantly happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the cause of vajra hell is that not able to relate with the body, speech, mind of the guru as embodiment of the enlightened being. If there's some kind of rejection, which is tantric language is called \"breaking the bond of samaya\", and then that causes some sense of victory for the practitioner, or the ex-practitioner. That you have managed to overcome your heavy-handed somebody who minds your business constantly -- managed to shake that out -- and a sense of liberation and achievement. And that from that liberation then tended to grow that tremendous pain constantly, which is not only moralistic alone, but it's the ultimate psychosomatic sickness perpetually grows. According to the scriptures, that there is no limitation of our duration of time. That it's supposedly ongoing situation, that you're stuck there, as far as conceptual mind limits time and space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Is it-- is there ultimately a return to the-- to one of the lokas? And ultimately a return to the human form and possibility of enlightenment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that was the story of Rudra in the tantric literature, is that Rudra was one of those people who stuck in vajra naraka. And he came back as great monster. And he had to be subdued by Vajrapani and all the other bodhisattvas. And then he's transformed, he give up, surrendered his ego, and he offered himself to be the protector of the teaching. That's the mythological story of mahakalas, who are the reformed rudras, so to speak.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: It can be done. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, tremendous pain. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=2893.0,3281.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I think I recall in one of your seminars of having said something to the effect of Milarepa not having, you know, attained the highest evolvement of somebody, let's say, like Padmasambhava. Not the, you know, of fully realized to that extent -- Padmasambhava. Now, him being one of the saints in the lineage that, you know, we worship in the sense of as the guru, is that-- how do you reconcile that? How do you-- do you see-- isn't that-- you are not seeing him as the embodiment of enlightened being, which is, let's say-- let's call Padmasambhava? And you're saying that Milarepa wasn't that way? Are you not seeing Milarepa as the embodiment of enlightened being then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's a philosophical matter, actually. It's not so much that Milarepa hasn't attained highest state of enlightenment, but it's the manner that he had cultivated his development is not as extraordinary as Padmasambhava. That he had -- Milarepa had attained the ultimate mahamudra experience, which is equivalent of any enlightened three-star [laughter] great people could attain. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Four-star.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Four-star, yeah that's right, yeah. The Milarepa, his state... he was as ordinary person; supposedly not intellectual, and not particularly intelligent, and he was rather dull person. And he had first managed to reach a sudden realization of starting point -- at the beginning -- from the level of third abhisheka, which is the abhisheka of symbolism, which is mahamudra. Whereas the certain higher, more matured students had received their highest instruction on the fourth abhisheka. So that was the thing. And also that his style of life -- that he is not practiced fully and completely of the crazy wisdom style -- that obviously in his life story, which is different from Padmasambhava.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut towards his end of his life, that there's a sense of some mischievous that comes up from Milarepa's life-story. That he's begin to see that self-existing humor in the form of crazy wisdom, you know, everywhere. But I think it's the manner and style that he had gone through is that he was not absolutely ideal, highest person as Padmasambhava, or even some of the Karmapas who supposedly much more advanced as *beginner* than Milarepa. But as far as achievement is concerned it seem to be the same thing. He had achieved enlightenment by working so hard and developed his intelligent; but some other people might develop not who only working hard but stripping out as well at the same time -- unmasking constantly. And Milarepa's way of unmasking is working hard.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: What's the difference between the enlightenment and this something further, like, you know, let's say development of crazy wisdom that seems-- I mean you say he had-- he attained the end or the-- or reached the goal, yet these other people did something else, and what else is there? And...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did I say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: You seem to-- in our language, maybe of understanding enlightenment as you know everything, or the end, that-- the goal, that putting some other kind of, you know, attitudes on the end you know, annexes to the thing that could also be done. Is there--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is there more than enlightenment, do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Yeah. What's-- is there something after that, that makes them relative?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, ultimate enlightenment is not end of your journey, but it's beginning of your journey is returning to the world. I mean, that's seem to be a given situation to everyone. Is that you have achieved dharmakaya and then you come back as a sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya as coming back to the world. Like the analogies of Oxherding pictures -- that coming back, returning to the world that goes along with, you know, anyone who attained enlightenment. Attained with compassion and wisdom together, so their energy of compassion comes back any case. And I think everybody have done that. I hope so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=3281.0,3626.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, is love the same thing as compassion in Buddhism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in Buddhism there's two terms: one is \"maitreya\", \"maitri\"; one is \"karuna\". That, \"maitri\" is closest to \"love\" in the etymologically speaking; and \"karuna\" is close to \"compassion\". But \"love\" in this case is more of being friendly and more introverted -- warmth to yourself. And compassion is extroverted -- that warmth to others -- seem to be-- that seem to be the basic differences. The compassion is pragmatic, and love or maitri is somewhat contemplative, meditative.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: So you could not say you love someone else in Buddhism? That, I mean, you're compassionate--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you could I suppose. Sure, I'm sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm sure, yeah. But that would be compassion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=3626.0,3699.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: What's the actual relationship of study of the scriptures to the journey? And what is this-- what's the relevant importance of this in terms of devotion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that studying is part of the act of devotion, in a sense, you could say. That by studying that you have achieved some sense of identifying with the language of the lineage and the state of mind of the lineage -- people who wrote these books. And it seems of that you find yourself in familiarizing yourself, and no longer regarded as a foreign element. So it's another form of surrendering, opening yourself. So there they have application in you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: How about the degree of comprehension of the scriptures? Of course it's different for each person, but how-- just-- what-- could you comment on that in terms of progress along the path?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a question of how much you are able to apply to yourself. And that's the degree of comprehension is more you are able to apply to yourself, that much there is more understanding. And if--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: [UNCLEAR: It's really more?] experiential, then.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, definitely, yeah. That's the one of the basic point is that my guru used to talk about when I was studying in the seminary. That... and the first question he used to ask me is \"how much you've experienced?\" I wasn't quite sure what he meant. What you mean by [laughs] \"experiencing?\" I thought he was talking about the environment and this physical setup of the place, which you've experienced. But he was more concerned with how much you've experienced, in spite of the philosophical terms and names and so forth. I think that's one of the very important point. That becomes then *real* intellectual work, rather than a purely technical thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Can the actual, you know, engaging of the intellectual work, can the work itself be a blockage--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: --instead of a vehicle or a [UNCLEAR: base?]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be blockage if--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER 16: Is it a matter of selectivity or...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it could be a blockage, if you related with purely another endornment [sic], another credential. It could become extremely dangerous and tremendous blockage, because then whole thing becomes purely another way of socializing the society -- in the cocktail parties or in chat with professors, or... 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And the vajra hell situation is much more adventurous than that. And you have involved yourself constantly. And then you want to recruit other people into your trip. It's establishing kind of empire.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: So it's a kind of egohood.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=3961.0,4011.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66030/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We should probably close our seminar. Has been very short one but maybe potent one. Thank you for coming. And I hope you have learned something out of this. And at least I hope you got the messages of warnings. Glad to be with you all. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=3690.59,3691.83"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66031/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nI'm sure, yeah.\nBut that would be compassion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050#t=3691.83,3695.98"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/127101/file/239050/transcript/66031/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER15: Thank 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