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How the extreme hardships of his childhood that led to his revenge created karma which he later had to work through but also set him on the Buddhist path. The human neurotic tendency to engage in \"one-upmanship\" -- aggressively trying to get the upper hand -- with others and ourselves."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Milarepa"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: MILAREPA: LESSONS FROM THE LIFE AND SONGS OF TIBET'S GREAT YOGI:\u003cbr\u003e\nChapter 4. One-Upmanship (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\nChapter 5. Disillusionment, Renunciation, and the Search for a Teacher  (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/milarepa-3865.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Sep 20 2023 to Mar 10 2025\nTranscribing: Blaire Martin\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Leandra Ziegler\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["About Milarepa's karmic situation. How the extreme hardships of his childhood that led to his revenge created karma which he later had to work through but also set him on the Buddhist path. The human neurotic tendency to engage in \"one-upmanship\" -- aggressively trying to get the upper hand -- with others and ourselves."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled the Message of Milarepa, given at Karme Choling in Barnet, Vermont. This is talk two, given on July 17th, 1973. This is a CTI custom remaster made February 2025.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: A seminar on the Message of Milarepa held at Tail of the Tiger, July 1973, talk number two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=0.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I hope what we discussed this afternoon had provided some basic ground for you to work and meaning of devotion and lineage and attitude of understanding the guru principle somewhat. It seem to be next point is to study and concentrate on Milarepa's life as we know. There are three stages in Milarepa's life. As the confused and wretched ego manifesting itself -- aggression and passion -- and overwhelmingly powerful and destroys Milarepa's life. And then there is the guilt conflict -- inspires something but at the same time the sense of discipline and sense of practicing, sense of working with it, what it is be manifested, and working along with it. Somewhat trying to thin out the confusion and chaos and neurosis. And then finally, that whole thing opens and develops into mahamudra state of mind, of finally becoming old dog-quality, noncaring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=36.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So all of those three situations are precisely quite necessarily applicable to us in our everyday life as well. That we begin ourselves that way, and we proceed ourselves that way. So it has tremendous connection with us, our state of being at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=143.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So to begin with, that Milarepa's unfortunate karmic situation, that he wasn't able to enjoy family life properly, respectably. And family chaos becomes an interesting point to look at. And it is that basically what we feel in our own state of mind: that sense of chaos, sense of uncertain about ourselves. We might raised as a wealthy kid, but-- we still have everything what we want -- toys and food and shelter -- but at same time, we want something more than what we have. And that seem to set up the whole thing of chaos, all the drama of chaos from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=166.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have a similar kind of problem also. That we wanted to become ambitious person. We want to be something or somebody, definitely strong person -- some kind of millionaire, lawyer, professor, scholar, or enlightened being, whatever. All kinds of range of choice we have, and we trying to live through those. And that's one of the problems with human realm, is that we have that sense of worshiping hero of some kind. Trying to be Christ, or Buddha, Mohammed, president. [Unknown gesture or incident;  laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=231.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or maybe you regard yourself as very modest, sensible person, and still, trying to be competing with your father, your grandfather's heritage. And competing with the people you met. And competing with that sense that you've heard that not quite make it in higher top level, but somewhat sensibly, reasonably maybe you could work with it. You could become one if you're not too ambitious. You might meet with moderate person then who becomes hero. That problem is always there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=302.0,346.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As far as Milarepa's life is concerned, that there is a sense of despair at the beginning, as he grew up. His uncle has most of the wealth, and wife was-- his mother was occupied as purely a herdswoman, take care of the household needs, and employed her as a maid in house. But at the same time, that he could be tremendous threat to his uncle. That if he become strong man, then he could revolt against the whole thing. Play back on him that how his uncle suppressed him, how terrible it was, so he couldn't stand that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=346.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in order to solve that problem, Milarepa's uncle try to put more pressure on mother and himself constantly. The thangka, the picture which depict the story, is that Milarepa sits as a seat for uncle's wife milking cow. And little boy sits as a chair with the feets and hand on the ground, and she sits on it and milks the cow. And when the uncle wants to ride on horseback, and he act as the stand to step on it. And Milarepa bends down and hands and feet on the ground, step on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=408.0,471.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such [our] situation may be not quite as black as we learn or written in the books, or written in the iconographical pictures, but same kind of qualities of somewhat. That there is the sense of deprived, suppressed, and paranoid that the young generation might revolt against. Could happen by employing all kinds of intellectual or scientific or economic logics, that how they should be subdued into simple, ordinary, submitting child. I'm sure a lot of us in the audience who are older, already have felt, and did in fact, some sense, such situation, they employ such situation already. I think that’s the problem that we have is that everybody, grown-up or child, the attitude is based on the security of some kind. Either to show your children something, or else that you want to suppress their intelligence in some way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=471.0,572.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And obviously in Milarepa’s case, that his mother was not stupid person. And [they didn't have] physical means to do those things or revenge against, become a richer person, or run away from the country or the province and become a bandit, attacking back is not appropriate thing. And the mother wants to keep him still within family situation, so that he could become a famous hero. That mother is like the arrow and the son is like spearhead on top of arrow. That son could prove mother’s existence as strong Mila-family person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=572.0,625.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in turn, that Milarepa loves to study black magic. The black magic that we are talking about here is not particularly Bon tradition or anything nonexistence, but is just reversal of a Buddhist approach, of like compassionate attitude turns into a transcendental aggression which twists around and could destroy, instead of helping, has developed. And Milarepa become extremely good at because he's honest student, in all cases. That he enjoys seeing his people die to fulfill his mother’s wish. That was a fantastic victory for Milarepa. To [For] one thing, that his wretchedness of his ego and punishment is fulfilled. That he was somewhat -- what's the word? -- upperhand, one-upmanship over his people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=625.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that playing one-upmanship is not entirely new to us, in all cases. Whether we try to become a powerful person practicing black magic or whatever, that everybody trying to play upper hand. Particularly relationship situation, that there's the ego's mentality. Trying to play upper hand is very natural thing. And more there is a threat, that much we trying to get up and destroy down. We don't want to push up, but we want to press down and destroy it, sit on it, suffocate. Which is a known kind of situation that we all experience in many cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=709.0,764.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The claustrophobia of Milarepa's early childhood is enormous, extremely sad and penetrating. That he was treat extremely badly and he was not respected. And he never let-- nobody respected him so that he has further hope of developing himself. That plan of his uncle and aunt was that to destroy him totally, completely, so that there was no question of reclaiming the property and wealth that family possessed. Which isn't actually very much, but nevertheless, that attitude is always there. That total destruction, so that the spirit and existence of Mila family could be destroyed, so that the family could enjoy further wealth and whatever, is one of the basic plans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=764.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We might laugh at all these games went on in fourteenth [twelfth] century, whatever, in Tibet; but in fact, ladies and gentlemen, that we might be doing same thing all the time right now. It is not purely family setup situation alone, but we could relate with the relationship situation of friends level, lover level, business-partnership level. And all the time that we are doing exact same replica of those things. Which are not new to us. It's up-to-date all the time, that these evil games happens all the time, it happens constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=838.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that is how Milarepa began. And this is starting point of a complete portrait of ego function, which is, we understand it and we know all about it. In this case, there's no actual message as such, but understanding those facts are very prominent, very important for us to realize that though there are such situations. But talking in terms of Milarepa's relatives, that we feel that we sympathetic to Milarepa -- he should be treated gently, beautifully, he's going to be a future yogi who's going to be enlightened. Therefore we feel that those uncles and aunts are devils who are fighting Milarepa's growth. Not so. We always do that. And our opponents may be enlightened persons, would-be enlightened person, or ourselves maybe would-be enlightened person, but we fight in same kind of way all the time. And it is not very exciting story, but it’s matter of fact, that do happen. Those things actually do happen in our life situation. [Laughs] And maybe we should think about that.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the theme here is one-upmanship. If you'd like to entitle your tape [laughter], we're talking one-upmanship. The one-upmanship seem to be constant theme with us all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussion on that.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou mind turning around little bit?\r\n\r\n\r\nASSISTANT: For the leg room?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nASSISTANT: Maybe someone there could turn it? [laughter] Maybe the other way. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There are two of them, on me. Can’t you turn it on its-- on the ceiling? [audience chatter] Smoking. [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nYeah. Okay we could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=880.0,1026.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What does this have to do with feminine energy--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What does this claustrophobic situation have to do with feminine energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it’s not attack on woman when we talk about feminine energy. I hope you understand that. It’s a general pattern of that any-- symbolically, that in order to be born, you have to sit in the womb; in order to come out of a womb, you have to come out with tremendous force. And then the whole thing going to be tremendously insecure. So it’s question of that we be engolloped [engulfed] in some huge, gigantic womb constantly. And it has nothing with woman particularly, but it’s principle. That we might find space is claustrophobic, because our state of mind is already paranoid. We might be closed in somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1026.0,1105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, is it the paranoia that causes the claustrophobia?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well paranoia, yeah, as wishful thinking of possible fresh air.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But is that what causes the claustrophobia, just the wishful thinking?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Are you always wanting something?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, too much attention has been made on alternatives. Like if you know that we're going to get water at next stop, if you thirst-- we more thirst because we know we are going to get water next stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1105.0,1152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is Milarepa's childhood any different from anybody else's in that sense? I mean, is it extraordinary?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think extraordinary particularly, except that he had achieved psychic powers to destroy his people. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: He did this as a child?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, when he was very young. And he actually conjured up a scorpion who was pulling out the pillar in the house and collapsing the whole house. And killed all his relatives having party, [laughter] most of them. Except he not manage to get his aunt, which is one of the point, and she survived.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is it important that he-- the distinction between his being able to do those things and his wishing to do those things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we all do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah, but I mean it's not important in the sense that he actually was able to do them in that sense, they actually happened. Or is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. A lot of people would like to do such thing when they are actually cornered, but actually they may be able to do that when they actually be cornered when they realize there's no alternatives. We produce our own magic. I'm sure you could do it, if you're really cornered.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But that works the other way too though, being cornered.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean other way?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well in terms of, well, you said that the black magic was like the inverse of Buddhism. But being-- I-- in a previous talk, you said being cornered had a lot to do with, like, realizing who you were. I mean being cornered--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --being cornered, I mean [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well Milarepa has be cornered in two ways. He’s be cornered to express his aggression and anger, and also he has be cornered on other end, that he attain enlightenment in one lifetime. He's been also cornered, he has no choice, [laughter] which come later on in our discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1152.0,1300.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You talk about Milarepa's karma as unfortunate karma, but-- [audience chatter] Taking from a more, say, a wider view, in view of the whole situation of his final enlightenment, can you classify it in any sense as unfortunate or fortunate? Or does it depend on how it’s used and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in the beginning, that when somebody is inspired to attain enlightenment, you should acknowledge your unfortunateness, your claustrophobia. Otherwise, there's no inspiration to seek the openness. I mean, so everybody from that point of view is unfortunate as high-intensive situation. And we could say Buddha was unfortunate child. That there is so much physical luxury and being in the palace was hellish to him, was unfortunate child. That's why he find his liberation, at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1300.0,1373.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How does one's devotion relate to that constant playing of ego, the constant desire for one-upmanship?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose that we could say that devotion there is that your seriousness has potential of developing complete devotion. You’re so much immersed in what you are doing, you had one-pointed mind constantly. That if you're going to become bank robber, you do it good one. That's very devoted thing to do. And that kind of concentrated-ness, that you able to do what you want successfully.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What if you're not very good at it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you become frustrated, and that there's another kind of problem there, same time. You become good at that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But he was able to work out not playing [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nI beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But he was able to work out not playing the one-upmanship game?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, he was playing all the time, until he was challenged by Marpa. Until that, he was constantly playing one-upmanship -- \"what best successful man I could be in the whole world?\" He was, in fact, competing with the karmic debts, that how could he get rid of that, achieve that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1373.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How does this one-upmanship sort of fantasizing compare with the masochistical alternative in the same situation, where you just completely bought out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's saying the same thing. You trying to get one-upmanship with someone who attack you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: \"I'm a better doormat than you are.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And if you are extremely painful-- if you feel extremely painful, and you want to hurt yourself more because you want to get rid of-- you want to get some upmanship on the pain that exists in you. And create further pain on you, so that \"I create that pain. You don't have to create that pain.\" And it is one-upmanship. Do you see what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Sort of. Except in one case, you’re looking for something else, you know, like an angle. And the other--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In one case, one-upmanship where you're hoping to, you know, get even, you’re looking for some kind of angle, some kind of way out. The other one, you're just sort of [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no differences. They're both the same thing, because you're using some reference point all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: You can even do it with being satisfied. Trying to be satisfied where you are would be the same thing, as long as it was from ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I mean, you're satisfied, but then at the same time, you're resentful that your satisfaction comes from somewhere else. Therefore, you inflict pain on you to make real that your satisfaction is too cheap. So you try to create the pain for yourself. I mean, one can do all kinds of ways. That's kind of being in New York, somewhat. 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Is there a relationship between his living so fully in that energy, that aggression, and his making it in one lifetime?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, you mean in terms of aggression? Well, yeah. And both are very ambitious project. When he gave himself up, is very also ambitious, very wholehearted one. But then that turns out to be a complete one, rather than aggressive one. We have chance to talk about that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1597.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is there any other mode for the ego to work except in the kind of one-up process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't seem to be generally, that-- you see, one-upmanship is not in the ordinary level we talk about one-upmanship. But one-upmanship, this point, is reference point. That you have reference point to something to gain further pleasure. Because you feel painful, so therefore you are trying to overlap yourself with all kinds of alternatives. It's a reference point because of one-upmanship, which is very, very subtle in many ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1678.0,1721.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Rinpoche, you said-- you're talked about, like, one-upmanship and pain. If you’re really, like, feeling pain, that seems to be like if you don’t feel it, or if it suddenly goes away or something like that, that somehow you’re doing something to avoid it. And at the same time, that what’s the distinction between dwelling on it to experience it, and sort of just having a one-upmanship inflicting pain on yourself more than, say, the original pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nI guess I wasn’t very clear. [Laughter] What’s the difference between dwelling on pain and experiencing pain? And yet, I sort of find that at the same time you’re experiencing it, there’s always something that wants to cop out or escape it. I mean, how-- where's the distinction between experiencing it fully and, you know, wanting to go into it and yet-- what's the difference between that and dwelling on the pain, inflicting pain on yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, obviously that wanting to work with the pain is much more playful, rather than the one-upmanship. Dwelling on the pain is trying to find some one-upmanship on the spot, and trying to find a way to leap up but not finding it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: But not finding it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not finding it, yeah. And therefore you find yourself falling back where you began.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1721.0,1855.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, could you say something about-- it seems that you could have that sense of one-upmanship and that it can sort of become greater and greater. And as it becomes greater and greater, the claustrophobic feeling can become greater and greater. And the more hurried the constantly trying to find a way out and find a way out, it becomes tighter and tighter. And yet it seems that also, that the ego, that you're sort of sensing this all the time. You're feeling it becoming tighter or more claustrophobic, or the more you're trying to become the one getting above and pushing down and pushing down. And yet, it continues, [laughs] continues all the time. Well, what is that-- is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Keep talking.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I suppose I'm just wondering if you'd call that purely a-- I'm wondering about the process of where this is all happening in front of you, as you're seeing this happening. And that there's sort of some sense of acknowledgment and there's of course all-- I mean, you can't ignore the pain of the claustrophobic feeling or the aggression that you're feeling.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can ignore because you have another choice of create another pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Constantly you do. I mean, that's the source of entertainment. All the time, you know, you could create a lot of pain, which gets bored and then you create another pain. You start with sleeping tablets, and you start with the tranquilizer, and you start with the further powerful things. You know, you could create constantly on and on and on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Would you call it also a sense of entertainment to have an observer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, all the time the observer is commentating on you: and you are not, you know, comfortable enough -- why don't you try next source? 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He would hang on to his dear life as far as he could and he doesn't want to lose it. His project of existing himself is tremendously lot, that he has developed infinite concentration of his life all the time -- on and on, and on and on, all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: This concentration happened before he started, before he met-- you said it was Marpa, I believe?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I mean, this was his attitude of constant concentration--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --even though he was completely confused?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but the confusion is his stepping stone so he could get further confused. Trying sticking into what his project is.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Yeah, he was pursuing this confusion then all the time. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it’s like join the army, you know. Going on with your pursuit, trying to regain, you know, trying to gain your medal or whatever, you know, constantly going on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But was he, like, surprised to find that as he went more and more into this, it turned into something else? Or did he just abandoned that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no, he was too earthy to do that. He doesn't play with his mind. And he just set his goal on and on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And that’s it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it, until he achieved his destruction of his family. Then he has no goal, he look around. That's the turning point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Oh, I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You know, I mean, he's a very, very good worker. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So he wasn't really interested in the process at all; he was interested in the goal.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it, precisely, yeah. I mean, we could say that Milarepa was extremely good example egomaniac, [laughter] as well as extremely good symbol of someone who attain enlightenment at the same time. That seem to be the whole point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So it was, in a sense, his success that tricked him, because he was left with nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely. That's what usually we do anyway in our life. [Laughter] If you become more successful, you then disillusioned more. But until you get to your point, you can't get shaken. You know, you have your goal and ideas in the mind. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You have so much energy that you get there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=1998.0,2189.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Rinpoche, could you have done the one-upmanship by cutting off the situation, just the way he did by killing them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But killing is satisfaction, then [UNCLEAR: sideway?]. Killing is good from Milarepa’s point of view, in early stage. It’s like Nazism in many ways, that one-pointed mind. He is so demonic in his way and nobody can shake him, you know, until he achieves his goal. Then there's no point, you know, there's nowhere to live, there's no ground anymore. So he then begin to ponder around -- what is all this about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: So, if you compare him with Hitler, sir, the only problem seems to be that his goal wasn't broad enough. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, that's [INAUDIBLE] say Milarepa was not good Hitler enough.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Yeah, so...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And Hitler was very feeble one. And Milarepa manage to conquer the whole world, and then what will he do? That's another matter. So he wasn't good enough. Hitler was-- Hitler would be-- would we say Hitler is not a good example, for Milarepa's dedication is concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=2189.0,2274.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: It seems that there's a little bit of a difference there. That if you want to destroy your family, that's easy, just conjure up a scorpion and wipe out the house. If you want to become enlightened, that's not so easy, because you don't know precisely what to do. There's no one thing to do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's precisely. That's why Milarepa got confused in halfway through -- he doesn't know what he was doing. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=2274.0,2300.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Rinpoche, couldn't there be some point at which that kind of single-minded concentration becomes an obstacle rather than a [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It becomes so obstacle, therefore it becomes fertile.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Fertile?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, fertile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=2300.0,2319.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77286/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We should end our discussion tonight here. And I hope you have a good sleep. Discuss tomorrow. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=2319.0,2325.79944"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730717VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=0.78,3.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public seminar entitled\nthe Message of Milarepa,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=3.68,8.43"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given at Karme Choling\nin Barnet, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=8.43,11.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk two,\ngiven on July 17th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363#t=11.84,18.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144639/file/267363/transcript/77287/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI custom\nremaster made February 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