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Introduces the six realms (defined as \"six types of world\") in the bardo, how we experience them in ordinary life. Stresses importance of becoming familiar with six realms in our everyday experience.  Describes each realm in great psychological detail, and how each one leads to the next. Correlates with different emotions: human realm as based on desire and passion; animal realm on ignorance; hell realm on aggression. Ultimately all realms are different aspects of space, which is called \"the interesting part.\" This is what allows us to transmute emotions of the six realms into awakened states. In Q\u0026amp;A: [Q3] whether bardo is \"real\" or not; [Q4] if world exists only in one's mind; [Q10] detailed exchange on how to work with confusion, by seeing it fully rather than trying to change it."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Transcending Madness","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: TRANSCENDING MADNESS: Part One, Chapter 2: The Six Realms of Being\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/transcending-madness-1570.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TRANSCENDING MADNESS)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Apr 08 2021 to Jan 19 2022 Transcribing: Jessyca Goldstein Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Ella Milligan Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Describes how the bardo experience follows same pattern as ego trying to maintain itself. Introduces the six realms (defined as \"six types of world\") in the bardo, how we experience them in ordinary life. Stresses importance of becoming familiar with six realms in our everyday experience.  Describes each realm in great psychological detail, and how each one leads to the next. Correlates with different emotions: human realm as based on desire and passion; animal realm on ignorance; hell realm on aggression. Ultimately all realms are different aspects of space, which is called \"the interesting part.\" This is what allows us to transmute emotions of the six realms into awakened states. In Q\u0026amp;A: [Q3] whether bardo is \"real\" or not; [Q4] if world exists only in one's mind; [Q10] detailed exchange on how to work with confusion, by seeing it fully rather than trying to change it."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Six States of Bardo, held in Allenspark, Colorado in July 1971. This will be the second lecture entitled The Six Realms of Bardo Experience. The date on this is July 16th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=0.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well perhaps we can continue to the next subject of bardo experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=22.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Generally there is basic space to operate in terms of creative process, whether you are confused or whether you are awakened. And that basic space act as fundamental ground where the idea of bardo develops as well. I think lot of people here have attend one kind or another kind of seminars, or-- and they have heard the idea of development of ego, and it is exactly the same pattern as bardo is operating-- experience of bardo is also operating on that evolution process of ego. But somehow the discovery of sudden glimpse experience of bardo is a momentum [ed: momentary?] thing, impermanent thing. So fundamentally we might say the teaching of bardo ideas are closer to the concept of impermanence. It is that sudden glimpse of experience constantly developing, and we try to hold on to it. And the moment when try to hold on to it then it leaves you, because for the very fact we trying to hold on to it, which is trying to give birth to that. You see something happens and you would like to give birth to it, and you would like to start properly in terms of giving birth. And once you begin to prepare this birth, then you realize you can't give birth anymore, that you lost your child already by trying to officially adopt this child. And that is kind of bardo experience which happens in everyday situation. And that is also operating in terms of space as well of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=45.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the bardo is generally associated with samsaric mind and not necessarily of that of awakened state of being. And there is a certain background of bardo experience, like the idea of river that I mentioned yesterday, last night. The river which is not belong to the other side or this side on the shore. It's just river, it's no man's land. And that no man's land, that river, also had different characteristics, whether it is turbulent river or whether it is gentle flowing river. And it has different categories, different types of river flowing. Which is basic situation where we are at, our present psychological state of being, which makes bardo experience more outstanding. If there is impressive little island in the middle of a turbulent river, that becomes more outstanding. Or if there is island in middle of gently flowing river, it is more impressive and outstanding. But at the same time the shapes and physical situation of this island will be completely different, it depends on the river itself and the background. And this river is therefore -- I’m sorry to present so many numbers, but it seems necessary to go through these patterns -- is the six types of world. The world of gods; world of \"jealous gods\", \"asura\"; world of human beings; world of animals; world of hungry ghost; world of \"naraka\", \"hell\". So it is very important to -- before we get into the bardo experience -- it is very important to know these particular types of worlds. It is not purely sort of mythical stories of a concept of heaven or hell, but is also psychological picture of hell and heaven and all the rest of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=252.0,431.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well we could begin with the notion of heaven. And this notion of heaven is a state of mind which is almost meditative -- I would say *almost* meditative. In any case this heavenly psychology is based on state of absorption of something, or the spiritual materialism that we been talking about. It is complete absorption. Which automatically of course means that indulging ourselves into particular pleasurable situation. Not necessarily material pleasure, but quite more likely psyc-- spiritual pleasure within the realm of ego. It's like the notion of four jhana states.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=431.0,523.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And traditionally there are thirty-three realms of gods, are different degrees of jhana state, up to the point of complete formless jhana state, which contains experiencer and experiencing, experience and experiencer. If there is experiencer and also experience, then experience must be either pleasurable or painful. Nothing else could exist beyond those limits. Or it could be extremely sophisticated experience, almost seemingly transcending pain and pleasure, but there is very subtle and sophisticated experience still goes on of some *thing*. The thingness and awareness of self continues on, which is the formless realms of gods. The limitless space, limitless consciousness -- not \"that\"; not \"this\"; *not* not \"that\"; *not* not \"this\" -- full state of absorption in the formless state. As well other states are inclined towards that kind of state of mind, but less sophisticated as experience become more and more on grosser level. The first state becomes therefore extremely pleasurable. The realm of spiritual pleasure is in such extent that almost that you can afford to relax. But somehow the relaxation doesn't happen, because there's experiencer and experience. That's realm of gods. And in that realm of god, as you can imagine being in such state of spiritual materialism, that something's weak. That your intensity of experience is based on collecting, possessing, further experiences. Which means that fundamentally state of mind is based on give or take, and immune to temptation, fascination. To seek pleasure in terms of more definite and trying to grasp hold of the pleasure more definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=523.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So as state of mind develops, what we are talking now in this six realms of world is we are talking in terms of regressing from the sophisticated state of spiritual materialism of world of heaven and going down to world of hell, regressing. And such state of pleasure in world of heaven, complete absorption, meditative absorption, into the jhana state, automatically brings temptation and question. That getting tired of being extremely refined and wanting to come down to some ragged qualities and jealousness or envy or dissatisfaction of your present state, comes automatically, obvious next step, which then leads to \"jealous gods\" or the \"asuras\", \"demi-god\" call it as a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=729.0,803.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that’s the realm of asura is consisted purely in terms of energetic, almost the contrast to that state of spiritual absorption. It's like if somebody's been for a long time away from their civilization in the middle of desert island, and if suddenly they had a chance to come down to nearest city, and automatically first impression is of course trying to be extremely busy, trying to entertain yourself, indulge in all sorts of things being busy. That kind of energy quality of busy-ness in the realm of asura develops. And even that experience of tremendous energy, driving force, onto trying to grasp, trying to hold onto any external situations, is not enough. Somehow you need not only rushing, but you have to rush and pick up, taste it, swallow it, digest it, so that kind of intimacy is needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=803.0,906.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you begin to feel tired of rushing too hard, too much. And you begin to think or develop in terms of rushed and then grasp and take it and take advantage of it, the intimacy quality of possessing, the sexual aspect or the possessing aspect, sort of tender and trying to use it, chew it. And that is world of human being. In this case, when we talk of world of human being and world of animal, it is not necessarily the human life or animal life as conventionally known, but it's the psychological aspect of human quality is built on passion and desire. But somehow that indulging ourselves into passion and desire is not quite-- again, not quite enough. That you need more and more. I mean you realize that you can come down to more gross level, crude level, and realizing that then one begin to yearn for much more real and obvious experience way of putting into effect your emotional need, requirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=906.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time one is tired of relationship, of relating one's experience in terms of pleasurable situations of life, begin to find all sorts of facets of experience involved with that. So one begin to look for something simpler, something more instinctive way of dealing with things, and one doesn't have to look for complicated patterns of that passion, desire. So you are reduced into animal level then. Everything's put into practice in terms of instinctive rather than applying intellectual, emotional frustrations as way of getting, possessing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1035.0,1097.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then again, such kind of state of mind of purely acting in terms of impulsive or instinctive, the level of animal situation, is not gross enough, and one begin to feel there is tremendous weakness in one's state of being as animal mentality. And one doesn't want to give away anything, but one would like to take more. So far that all that experience up to the animal level is been kind of exchange constantly, right from the world of gods. It's a balanced act of play, exchange, and somehow the one begin to realize and come to conclusion that exchanging or commuting with two situations even from blind level is too exhausting, and then one is looking for sort of highly crude form of maintaining oneself. That is world of hungry ghost, that you don't want to give away anything, but you want to take. And since one doesn't want to give away and purely you would like to take in, so then mentality of that state of world becomes extremely hungry one, because unless you give you wouldn't get anything. And more you get, more you want to receive. In other word it doesn't want to give or share any experiences. There's so much hunger and thirst, me-ness, to let inch, or give out one fraction of a moment, to relate with the world outside, sort of height of poverty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1097.0,1255.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then ultimate kind of aggression comes from that. You don't not only want to give away, but you would like to destroy that which reminds of giving, is the ultimate world of \"hell\", \"naraka\", is instant and extreme powerful state of aggression, hatred. [Pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1255.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And all these state of-- six state of different aspect of world is the river where the bardo experience are taking its shape. In terms of realms of god, it's very dream-like quality; in terms of realm of hell, it's very aggressive and definite quality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1301.0,1339.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think better we stop there and probably think about that process of six types of world and make familiar with that state of mind of different types before we get into bardo experience. Which would be very helpful, having had already ground, to sort of pinpoint different experience of bardo is fitted into this particular different types of rivers, samsaric river, which would be much easier to work on, that level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1339.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And strange enough that these experiences of realm of gods, realm of human beings, animals, hungry ghost, and hell, are strange enough are space, different version of space. It seems intense and solid, but in actual fact it isn't at all, it's different aspect of space. That's the exciting or interesting part-- interesting thing about it. In fact it is complete open space, without any colors or any particular way of relating in terms of solid situations. That is why it is been said in terms of six types of consciousness, pure consciousness, rather than solid situation. It is could be almost said in terms of unconscious situation, rather than even conscious situation. This type of development of ego completely operate itself through unconscious level, one unconscious level to another unconscious level. That is why it is referred as \"realm\" or \"world\", \"loka\", world, six types of world. It's complete unit of its own. I mean, in order to have world you have to have atmosphere, you have to have space to formulate things. So this is the fundamental space where any kind of other experience of bardo is operating through. And because of that, also, it is possible to transmute these spaces into six types of awakened state -- freedom -- as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nAny questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1390.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Can you be in one-- more than one type of world at the same time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, [UNCLEAR: momentum? moment?] change always, but it seems to be that there is one governing factor of particular type.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1531.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can-- when you're in one of these worlds, can you remember another one? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean you have the instinct of the other one. That's why that you can move to one experience to another experience. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: By your own will?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not necessarily by your own will, but not exactly remember, but you sense, you know, something. I mean like dogs, in terms of ordinary sense, occasionally forget that they been dogs, and they almost think they're human beings. They take part in human society. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1550.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: How do you think the bardos--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: --[INAUDIBLE] the world--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: These are the worlds. The--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: [INAUDIBLE] Now are they real in the sense of, like, just real, or are they mind-manufactured as real worlds?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: None what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Mind-manufactured.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mind- manufactured. Well, that's a very heavy question. [Laughter] What is real? I mean it is very difficult to distinguish hundred percent real in any case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1594.0,1637.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Does it make any difference whether these things happen only in the mind or in reality? [INAUDIBLE] one might be bad.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean mind, it operate realistically.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: No, what I mean is *one* may experience these stages without acting them. One may experience them by thinking them or by dreaming them or I don’t know what, but not actually participating in them by action.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Does it make any difference whether they are actually acted?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they are acted. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it is acted of course. But that activity is again questionable whether it is purely acted from sake of action or it is inspired from the mind. But it is acted, of course. I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Well I mean, in some cases it may not be acted. For instance, one may have the hell state or animal state, or whatever one of the states, only in the mind. I mean, he may not actually do the act, but just think them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Is that another kind of reality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Does it make any difference?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the point is that once you are in any of these, that you are completely immersed in it, and you can't help not showing the internal impressions of it. I mean, you are completely submerged into that kind of experience. It's so living and so real, almost confusing whether it is-- the experience of hell, for instance, is external hell or it is internal hell in purely in your mind. At that time, that you can't distinguish whether you are actually thinking or whether you are-- you be made to think that way. And I don't think you can avoid acting it, at all. It's like-- I mean if you are nervous for instance, you can't-- much as you try not to act as nervous but there will still be some signs of nervousness still continuing.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: No, but instead you-- take passion for instance: you can restrain your action, but you can't restrain your thinking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: I mean you can restrain your acting out your passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can. I mean in a certain gross level-- I mean there are different types of putting out passion, for instance. It's not purely sexual passion alone at all. I mean it's all kind of replacement of one particular desire by all sorts of other things. You see, what would generally happen is that even you don't want to reveal completely of your full state of being, but quite conveniently one tend to find way of interpreting that in order to get satisfaction in all sorts of ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1637.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So one is in one of these worlds, one of them-- I mean you’re in that particular world at that time, that particular ego state or [INAUDIBLE] of ego--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --at that time--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --whether you act it or not, you’re in that world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are in that world and action happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And repressing it doesn't change the fact that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, you always find a way of doing it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1848.0,1875.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So, if I would hate something, if I would hate someone -- when I am hating them, when I'm feeling that hatred, then I would experience the space of-- or the atmosphere of what we've been talking about as hell. And that would really be like the color of the emotion, color of the feeling. It would be like-- it’s called hell.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So I sense that when you’re talking about the transmuting them into the six realms of awakened state, when you think of the six realms of -- what do you call them -- samsara?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: That they are-- I have a tendency to think of them as something to be avoided, not necessarily repressed, but to work through to get out of the trap that they put you in. It seems to put you in a bind where you’re not functioning true-- according to your true nature. And so in that sense to be avoided or to work through into something else that is more human or more [INAUDIBLE] or something like that. Is that a good way to think about it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think by replacement of something else would help, and that doesn't seem to be the point. And the point is that within that realm of intensity there is the absence of that intensity as well. Otherwise the intensity couldn't exist, couldn't of happen, couldn't operate. Intensity must develop in some kind of space, some kind of environment. That basic environment *is* the transcendental aspect of that as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So there's no sense of leaving the world of hell behind if you transmute it into something else which doesn’t-- which excludes the hell? [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, then you go again and again. You see you start from world of heaven, come down to hell. And then you get tired of it, you go up to heaven. And you come down again and again -- or the other way around.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's why it's \"samsara\", which means whirlpool sort of thing. You know,continual running round and round and round.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So, it's always here?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean if you trying to find way out by running, by looking for the alternative, it doesn't happen at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Does it make sense to think of looking for a way out, at all, in any sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's more like way in--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --rather than way out. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=1875.0,2033.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: What do *you* do when you're in the hell world? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just be there.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: But weren’t you ever in the hell world yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What, what?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Have you yourself ever experienced the hell world, the hell state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Well how do you [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I try to remain in hell world. [Laughter; applause; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2033.0,2063.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: What is the ground, the basic ground, the meditation ground, against which all these worlds or states appear? And appear on the one hand empty, and on the other hand continue and appear full, so that you are in hell and yet you’re-- that other ground--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --that comes out of meditation. Can you talk about that a little?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that other ground or *the* ground is within that state. Do you mean-- is that what you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: That allows one to enter completely into the state and yet be also completely out of the state at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, that seems to be the hell or whatever it is, is like the river and the bardo experience out of that is the island-like situation. It seems to be the bardo experience is the, almost you could say, the entrance to the common ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is it the key to that experience [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Almost, you could say. Yeah I mean, you almost you could say key, but that is making more than necessary emphasis.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: So it's like the high point or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it’s--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --peak of that if that’s better.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But you spoke yesterday about the ground or canvas on which experience is painted--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --that which is achieved through long, long meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How does that relate to the river and the island?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's different metaphor altogether. The ground in this case-- the canvas had never known colors yet. It's open canvas. Even if you painted on, canvas remains being white -- fundamentally speaking. [Laughs] I mean you could scrape out the paint.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I still-- how it relates to the experience, that the gulf between that ground and the experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the experience is, suppose you could say, that is realizing the turbulent quality is purely happens on the surface, so to speak. And you are not rushing to trying to solve the problems of turbulent quality, but you are diving in. In other word, fearlessness. I mean complete trust in confusion, so to speak. Seeing the confused quality is being truth of its own reality. Once you begin to develop the confident and fearless understanding of the confusion is being true confusion, then it is not anymore threatening and that is the ground. You begin to develop space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: And hope and fear cease to exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: And activity continues and each state continues.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Nothing changes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nothing changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2063.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: What if confusion persists? Just let it persist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let it?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Is it-- don't you try to clear it out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not going against the force. If you're trying to change the course of river...\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Well, but maybe there are four exits and we don't know-- and there is a confusion between the four, so we don’t know which exit is the good one?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see whole idea is not trying to calm down from that level. It is to see the calm aspect from same level, rather than just completely calm down. The whole idea is these particular state of turbulence, emotions, or confusions, also have a positive quality in them. That one have to learn to transmute the positive quality as part of it. So you don't want to completely destroy the whole existence of that. And if you destroy and if you’re trying to work against it, then possibility is you been thrown back constantly because fundamentally you're running against your own energy, your own nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2298.0,2381.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But there's still something undesirable that I feel about confusion. In the meditation we chanted, \"May the confusion go into clarity,\" something like that, [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --transmuting. There’s still some feeling that you’re going to get out of it. And I keep, like-- and everybody in America thinks about it. I don’t know everybody, but a lot of people I know think about enlightened and unenlightened state. And it seems like if you take that as a basic pattern in your mind, you're thinking you-- and you’re meditating or something, you always think that you’re going through some unenlightened state to an enlightened state. And so if I attach that kind of thinking to the six samsaras, that you’re going from an undesirable hell state or an undesirable confused state, and that if you stay with it or if you go in it there’s still this little hope or little feeling that you will get into clarity sooner or later, if you stay in it long enough.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yes. I mean, sure there will be clarity, yeah. Definitely, yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: And so it has some kind of aspect that you don't want it to be around. You want to get rid of it, but nevertheless you have to stay in it to see it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not necessarily. It doesn't work exactly that way. Well you see, you begin to realize that the clarity is almost there. And in fact when you are in a state of complete clarity you begin to realize that you never need have made that much fuss.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Never what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Never need to made fuss, rather than you realize that how good you are now, and you begin to see how foolish you've been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2381.0,2491.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Does anything actually exist outside of the mind itself? The mind? [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] I mean, does anything actually exist? [Laughter] I mean, it's blowing my mind, this whole thing coming in here. And what else is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I would say-- I would say yes and no. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What really exists outside of the mind? Seems like it’s a big mind, everything is, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [INAUDIBLE] is like, why.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: And that it’s filled with all this stuff--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: --and everything else is like a big mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well outside the mind is, I suppose you could say, that which is not duality, open space. That wouldn’t mat-- that doesn't mean to say that whole world is going to be empty.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, trees will be there, rivers will be there, mountains will be there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well nothing is everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that doesn't mean to say they are some *thing*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: No, you-- that’s right. It’s [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but still tree remains tree and rocks remain rocks. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2491.0,2577.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: In the six worlds, it seems that there-- it's like there was a kind of [INAUDIBLE] kind of enlightened [UNCLEAR: thing? theme?] say, where you saw confusion for what it was. So that each of the worlds-- I understand that there’s kind of two beings, one who is-- has some degree of contentment with just being there, and the other who is caught up in it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: And I wonder, if a human-- if in the human world, is there any advantage over, say, in hell, for crossing over from the [UNCLEAR: insane side?] to the [UNCLEAR: sunny side?]? Or is it equal in all six to, you know, be able to see it for what it is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's the same. The karmic potential seems to be more possible. There's more communication in the human state because the human state is highest state of passion and the ultimate meaning of passion is communication, making link, relationship. And I mean there is a kind of open space or possibilities of communication. But that doesn't mean to say that's the sort of exit from the six realms of world. But that kind of experience of passion is very momentum passion. And you have a state of human mind from one moment, and next moment you would have the other situation is coming through.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But seeing as how we have human bodies, isn't the human world the one in which we have the best chance to sort of accept ourselves for where we are for what we are?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but what we are talking is that six experience within human body. We are not talking in terms of these different realms are being another different types of world.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well I understand, but I mean, since we have human bodies and minds then in-- and in-- within that framework--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --isn't then passion, acting according to passion, is sort of the basic framework of our life--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --rather than hatred? So don't we have the best chance within that framework for us to say cross over rather than within one of the other worlds?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, we have -- I mean that's why precisely we can discuss these six types of world in a human body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2577.0,2741.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm not clear about the difference between the human world and the asura [mispronounced] world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Asura.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Asura.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well asura is kind of intermediate state between intense passion and intense bliss, which is the world of heaven. And somehow there's a discontentment of the bliss, blissful state, and one is looking for more crude experience of something. And then you become-- transform your experience into asura, which is energy and speed and rushing. And very sudden glimpse of comparison, which is called jealous or envy. But I don't think any of these -- jealous or envy -- are sort of concrete word enough to express this state of neuroticism. It's a combination of jealousness as well as efficiency, speed, for looking for another alternative from the blissful state of world of gods. And then you begin to find something-- some way of communicating, some way of putting that experience into more concrete situation, and you begin to find passion instead of pure jealousy and comparison alone. But you begin to find that you can get into it, you can dive into it, and indulge in fact. In the realm of asura there's no time for indulgence because whole thing has been extremely fast and rushed. It's almost a reaction against to the blissful state.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What is [INAUDIBLE] state of confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's, I would say, all of them. It's one is not quite certain what you are actually getting-- trying to get hold of and trying to find nearest situation and trying to reinforce that and change them, and that's constant confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2741.0,2885.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: If you drop all the patterns of relating at any given moment then...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Patterns of?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Of relating or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --or existence, or talking to anyone, any pattern of what you are used to in talking to people or relating to people or being in life, then from where are you relating at that moment, or who is it that is relating?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you’re trying to relate with?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: If you drop all patterns--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --what holds on to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --giving a logical answer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: What's in-- to talking like this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All the patterns, all the logic. Well, I mean that's saying the same thing in a way. You can't do that in any case. It’s impossible.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: You go to the desert.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there will be still the desert.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean if you trying to give up any patterns, that in itself forms another pattern.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: But if you're not trying, so to say, is there a state where you’re not trying to give up the pattern? It’s like a state of pure spontaneity. I mean, becoming not attached to that. In other words, what part of the memory maintains some sort of pattern to which to relate in order to communicate -- without being attached to it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's possible because that is you are not trying to drop anything out, either pattern or without pattern, and you are accepting all of them as being just pure black and white. So you have the complete control of the whole thing, and you are then the master of the situation. In fact you have a greater scope of dealing with it. Before you are dealing from -- purely from -- ground level, you deal within the foreground of view. But then you are dealing from aerial view, so you have more skill for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=2885.0,3017.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Does anxiety have anything to do with the second state, the asura, that rushing quality, that unable to rest anywhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And it also seemed for a moment that that state is very close, at least to me, to the hungry state. The rushing is somehow tied up also with the hungry state. They seem to go together somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah well, I mean it’s-- that’s a very good observation. In fact, it works in that way that the world of hell is the ultimate crudeness and the world of gods is ultimate gentility. And hungry ghost and asura being the intermediary of these two situations into the animal realm and human realm. It does work that way, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I see. I misunderstood the hungry ghost. Which is the world in which there’s this feeling of hunger [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is the hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And hell is which? So it’s hungry ghost and asuras that are very close. That are--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no. Hungry ghost and asura -- that’s right, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Have that likeness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And hell is the [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hell is the absolute aggression.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Absolute aggression.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Almost opposite the meditative state of world of gods.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Which comes from the hunger?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which comes from the hunger, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3017.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I have a question. The way in which it’s all tied up is sometimes that fear of losing oneself, of losing ego, is very overwhelming, very real. And it’s real as a cliff. And it doesn't seem to do much good to go into it. Is there any way of preparing the ground to drop somewhat? Or do you have to drop, or can you climb down a step at a time? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the only alternative left there is just to drop.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: To drop?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, if you are as close as that then--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you are as close as that, if you're extremely close to the cliff.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: You mean to the ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To the cliff. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: At that moment you seem to become twice as terrified. I mean almost someone have to push you over because you won't go yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laugher; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3106.0,3185.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: I've been wondering, is there really any reality except that reality about which everybody agrees? I once-- I was on acid, I heard-- I started hearing Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony, and I asked everybody around me, \"Is that really real?\" And if they all agree that it’s-- that's it's real, then it’s real. If they say it’s not real, then it’s not real, and I’m still hearing it. And it seems to me, it tends to just feel like that’s the way it always is, that the only way I know that this world I perceive is real is because everybody else assures me that it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: And well, everybody could be wrong, I think there are times when everybody *is* wrong. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Isn’t it possible that the world is real, but not as you see it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: I would like knowing what reality is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean if you find everybody agreed on it, but sometimes people don't agree. To some people, particular aspect is more real than the other things, as well. So somehow trying to prove what is real and what is not real, doesn't particularly is beneficial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3185.0,3278.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Could you explain something to me that I didn't get? On the six worlds,\r\n\r\n\r\nin the sutras I've read that it says be thankful you have a human body because they can hear the dharma, they can take refuge, they take vows, that sort of thing. But you presented them as more or less equal worlds, and I don't see why human-ness isn't something that we should try to develop and deepen to avoid bouncing back from the extremes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well as far as the experience goes, it is equal. But the physical situation of human realm is it seems to be unequal or special. I mean, for the very fact, as I've said already, that we can discuss about that in now, in our human body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: But isn’t it-- on the psychological plane, doesn't it parallel that the human state of mind is somehow special?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean I would say all of them are human state of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: No one any more so than another.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3278.0,3348.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Isn't it possible that the real world exists, the world exists, but not as-- even if we all agree, even if every human being agree what reality is, it might simply be that we are-- that this kind of reality we incorporated into being a human being. And something else, like a catfish or a gopher or something, it would be a different kind of [INAUDIBLE]? We find that there might be a reality [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that reality is, from a rational point of view, it's something that you can relate to. When you're hungry you eat food. When you're cold you put more clothes on. And when you're frightened you look for protector.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: In other words, if there’s another kind of reality [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But I mean, those are the kind of real things we do, real things happens. Experiences such as like that happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3348.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Could you mention things that what we’re going to be talking about in future sessions, to provide a framework?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, what we been talking today is sort of preparation of the six types of bardo experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3424.0,3446.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Rinpoche, are you going to discuss ego at all this seminar [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose that subject will pop up. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3446.0,3454.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Rinpoche, you said that in order to-- in other words, you can’t get out of a situation, so in order to, you have to get into a situation so you begin to see where you are, where you're at. And I mean, how do you get into it? I mean, I know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. I see what you mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --[INAUDIBLE] I don’t know [INAUDIBLE WORDS], which door that-- I don’t understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: You know what I mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose you have to be completely fearless, that the ground where you're standing on. Or somehow there should be communication with the ground where you're standing on. And if you are in complete touch with that nowness of the ground, then all the other situations are automatically definite and obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3454.0,3517.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Which world are you in now? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Woof, woof. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3517.0,3526.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: You said that they are not states of the awakened mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: You said that these are not states of the awakened mind, they are only states of the [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes confusion. Yeah, sure. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3526.0,3556.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Do the six realms-- [Unknown incident or gesture] [Laughter] Do the six bardos relate to the six realms? Are the six the same six? That the bardos go around in a circle like from heaven to asuras to pretas to hells to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not necessarily. No. I mean it's the experience of-- well, in a way, but somehow it isn't as methodical as that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: And some way the six [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --connected to this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Connected to it, yeah. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3556.0,3591.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Is there an in-between stage between these bardos? How does one move from one to the other?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Or are they just continuous?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It’s same as different types of emotions, you know, changing from one type to another type. Like temperament.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: They shade into one another?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: They shade into one another.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yes and no. It's like bardo is individual, independent thing, each experience, like island as we said. But somehow that one island has some connection with the other island, in order to see the perspective view of the one island, the other island. I mean it's related, as well as it is not related.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Is it the water that connects them, [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. I would say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3591.0,3652.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Would you say then that each experience has its root in one or another of the bardos? Could you trace the root of each experience and find that it [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of different types of world?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Definitely, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Is that a good thing to do, do you think, as one is experiencing? To try and get that view, that particular view of experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean one doesn't have to acknowledge them on the spot, necessarily. But-- intellectually one doesn't have to do that. But from experiential point of view, this happen and one can acknowledge it, so to speak. But not necessarily healthy thing to, you know, intellectually trying to speculate or put into categories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3652.0,3703.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: What's the use of meditation then and-- I mean if it shouldn't take you out of any given state. Say you are in the hell state, or the hungry ghost state, and you are practicing meditation, it’s obviously [INAUDIBLE WORDS] out of it. If you shouldn’t sort of get out of the state, but just let them go by themselves, then what's the point of meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see meditation is sort of providing clear perception of these experiences, so that these experience doesn't become confusing or inspires paranoia. But meditation is kind of gaining new sight, new eyesight, to look at the situation, to feel the situations. And often, many cases, the hidden aspect of these state of world are brought out by meditation. I mean, in many cases that if there's a tendency of trying to hide from yourself, these suppressed element of these world, and meditation brings them out. Or if that experience is being constantly destructive, then meditation brings the friendliness attitude to these situations, and begin to see that you don't have to regard them as external attack or negative, destructive thing anymore. You see meditation is way of seeing the perfect value of them, in a sense, perfect relationship of them. Because whole thing is have to work within. Unless you are willing to go back to the abstract quality, the root of them, by judging the facade, doesn't help at all. So meditation brings you back to the root, dealing with the root of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3703.0,3871.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Does meditation [INAUDIBLE] , meditation does not mean simply sitting still quietly for forty-five minutes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in this case--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In this case, not necessarily that alone. It's the active aspect of meditation as well as sitting -- I mean all aspects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015#t=3871.0,3890.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138127/file/256015/transcript/72336/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Rinpoche, you talked about [INAUDIBLE] people for the first time here. One subject came up and everybody seemed to have different interpretations or opinions of what *you* felt about, say, drug addiction or alcoholism or using booze or drugs, relating to Buddhism or the path. And it seems to be very many conflicting thoughts about that. I'm hopeful maybe you could relate it to the bardo experience. In other words, say, drug addiction or alcohol or heavy drinking or using drugs all the time -- how does this relate to what we're talking about today?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With the bardo experience? With the six realms?\r\n\r\n\r\n[NOTE: AUDIO ENDS here, remainder of questions are transcript only]\r\n\r\n\r\n[BEGIN ARCHIVAL TRANSCRIPT ONLY NOT IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems to be also the same idea as reality -- what is real and what is not real -- and somehow the-- also connected with that experience as well. And what is real? That everybody try to find it, all sorts of methods, all sorts of ways. And the person may discover it by using alcohol or by using drugs, but then they want to make sure that that discovery of reality is really definite, real, one hundred percent definite. Then you go on and on and on. And then somehow that this sort of greediness takes you over from your discovery at the beginning, and whole thing becomes destructive and distorting. I mean this happens with any kind of experience of life constantly. That at the beginning, there's a relationship, and if you constantly try to take advantage of that relationship heavy-handed way, then you lose relationship absolutely, completely. And that relationship becomes then destructive one rather than good relationship. So I think probably you been hearing different stories because of different users. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [Paraphrased] Supposing you freaked out on heroin and you said, \"Well, I'm going to have one more heroin experience again.\" Wouldn't there be this whole conflict starting up all over again? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there would be. I mean, it's question of if the experience could be kept as actual experience without trying to magnify it by constant-- I mean, at certain stage person begin to forget that the usage is not only pure experience alone, but it begin to be-- begin to become built-up situation that you require, and then there would be conflict. And I mean similar thing could be said in terms of LSD, for instance, that person had experience for the first time, and in order to confirm that experience he have to take second, third, fourth, up to hundredth time, and somehow then cease to become experience anymore. It isn't exactly question of middle way in terms of happy medium, but somehow that trusting oneself is necessary at that point; that one doesn't have to be extremely skeptical of oneself, that you have one experience and that experience is experience. And one doesn't have to necessarily try to make it into clear and complete experience. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE] \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One experience should be total experience. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: As it happens \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As it happens, yeah. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Not going back for seconds? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, it doesn't particularly work in terms of numbers but repetitive quality of it. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [paraphrased] In meditation, how does one get these glimpses of clarity? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, in a sense that you can create glimpse by being open to the situation. And open in this case means without fear of anything and complete experience. And glimpse just takes shape of its own and sparks us. But in many cases that when person try to recreate glimpse that he had already, sudden flash, and it doesn't happen at all, and more he tries, less experience you get -- you wouldn't have any experience of open space at all. And minute when just about to give up, to give in and don't care, then you get sudden flash. Like same as if person is trying to meditate very hard, could be in a group or could be alone, and set time and meditate and it doesn't go very well at all. But minute when you decide to stop, or if in group case minute when the bell is rung, then actually meditation happens spontaneously and beautifully. But when you want to recapture that, want to recreate in that situation, then it doesn't happen anymore either. So it's question of trying to recapture any experiences. If you try to recapture any kind of experiences, then it doesn't happen, unless you have complete confidence, absence of fear, that these experiences don't have to be recreated, but they are there already. \r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Supposing that what you think you want more than anything is openness, but you don't know how to open? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, there's no question of how to do it but just do it. And that's the last thing that cannot be explained in terms of word, but one have to do it by instinctive way. And if one really allow oneself to do it, one could do it. \r\n\r\n\r\n[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Is that beer or apple juice? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Water. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we are talking about happiness, right? Yeah, well, it seems happiness is something one cannot recapture. I mean happiness happens, but when we try to recapture it, it's gone. So from that point of view there's no permanent happiness. \r\n\r\n\r\n[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: [paraphrased] Rinpoche, I've never done any real sitting situation. When I walked in I had a headache, and after sitting about ten minutes I lost my time sense, and all of a sudden I heard the bell ringing. What does that mean? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say you haven't meditated before very much? \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Yeah, sometimes during the day spontaneously for short periods ... [Continues....] \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it was sort of open experience. Particularly if person had less expectation of himself and just surrender himself into situation, meditation happens very spontaneously, which you know happens a great deal. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: What were the circles that were happening? [Continues...] \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know. 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